Why Greeks don�t request to be called Hel

http://www.biologydaily.com/biology/Hellenes :

According to Thucydides, Hellenes were the people of Hellas. Greek mythology states that they were named after Hellen. A more scientific approach considers this an aitiological myth, placing the origin of the name in Epirus, the land of the Dorians, where people were called Selloi or Helloi. The etymology of the term is *sedl�nes, meaning "settlers" (from the PIE root *sed, "to sit"). The spread of the worship of Zeus in the rest of Greece (based in Dodoni), the Dorian tendency to form amfictionies and the increasing popularity of the Delphic religion caused the name to refer to all people today known as Greeks (that name having come from the Graikoi people who were, according to Aristotle, the inhabitants of a city in Boeotia named Graia, before the deluge of Deucalion).

As I said here, there are some similarites between Greeks and Gilakis, the word Giloi in Gilaki language (and also Persian) means Soil / Clay, and as you know the words Soil (Solum in Latin) and Seat (Solium in Latin) have the same root, so I think both Greek and Hellen mean "Settler".

When someone is calling me Greek I am always correct him. In my work and my writtings I always use the words "Hellen" and "Helenic". I dont like very much to be called as Greek but I dont get angry neither. When someone is calling me Yunan or Yunanli, I dont mind at all, because I m Yunanli, I originate (a part f me) from the Yunan tribe of Hellenes (Iones) and since for the Anatolian people Yunan = Hellens I dont care much. But I m trying to change it and correct people. Iones were part of the Hellens. Greeks were part of the Hellenes. Macedonias, Athinians, Lakedemones, Cretans, Molossi, Leleges, Kares and many other tribes constituted the nation of the Hellenes. We the Hellenes we call the Frenchs as Galli and their country as Gallia. And we do the same for many other people and countries, which is not totally correct.

Why,it really does not matter.Most Hellens have used to it and so the goverment.The important things is for foreign people to know that the name Hellas corresponds to Greece.

Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski [Quote] even in modern Macedonian language� settler's have e a meaning of naseleni� and the verb sed for to sit is sedi

Many IE languages have the same word (or a derivation thereof) for 'to sit', including English, Scandinavian, German and as you showed apparently some Slavic languages too.
And please don't use italics, makes it hard to read.

Edited by Styrbiorn

Why this word as possible root  for pointed meaning
Explaination via comparing could be as follow
When today  someone will move from his motherland into Usa or other English speak countries  those ones must to faced a big *Aborigine eyes what will witness the "move in situation" and using their own English language shell make a statement as settlers   immigrant
Maybe  something simmilar had  happent one up one a time back in *Macedonian Paninsula , where  my father fathers as native residents had withessed the times   when  move in and settling situations happent ,what been memorised  via the word helleni meaning settlers or immigrant  what  had colonised  the areas  what they reached
Hellens or foreners have had  settled or established and stable in one's residence or life style
Life stile of Paterism and A form of social organization in which a male is the family head and title is traced through the male line instead of previous one


Styrbiorn
italics  will  be no more

Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski Hellens Romaioi Greeks No one name have root  in their native mother thounge language

Actually the first and third do have, it's just that you lack the basic inteligence to comprehend it...

So far your whole contribution to this forum has been to (try to) insult Greece or mindlessly interfere in (more or less) serious discussions and post nonsense. I'd advise you (once again) to read and adhere to the forum rules, since you're violationg them very often and that can have grave consequences for your presence in this forum. Grow up!

Edited by Yiannis

Let's see, well according to the Turkish Sun God theory,
Greece is actually a corruption of the Turkish words GARA AY KOZ that mean "black moon eye'
Crazy theory

Originally posted by Homer MakeDonski ] Hellens Romaioi Greeks No one name have root  in their native mother thounge language

You may receive some light (knowledge), dear friend. Where? but from Hellas.

Hellas= 'elios' + 'laas' =  sun + rock =  literally  meaning "land of sun"
metaphorically 'land of knowledge' (light=knowledge)

Graikos = Graia = (grey) name for the inhabitants of Graia a town in Boeotia. Just like Hellines was used at one time to describe the inhabitants of a town in Thessaly.

Cyrus Shahmiri


Will you tell us why your people has  made such a request
Does Iranian as name have something to do with religion or the main reason
supposed to be  the  way how you are  calling your selves  with out exeption of any strange and out side  for you names  ,as your national ones





Edited by Homer MakeDonski

Well, what can I say.
Many oppinions, many views, some agree, some don't, and some just don't care.
And the odd FYROMite killing some time...

Why Greeks don't care about being called Greeks?

There is a status quo about the name "Greek" nowadays; it has been included in so much text, both printed and electronic, that it would be just silly to attempt to disown it.
It is not provocative or controversial for either the Greeks or anyone else around the globe (unlike some other names, e.g. "Macedonia"), so nobody has a problem to either say it or hear it.
It does not belong to taboo words (e.g. "nigger" - only blacks can be called niggers between them, and if a white or other-coloured person utters it, someone will be offended).
It pays respect to an empire (the Roman one, that is) that used it to describe a nation instead of persecuting it via its name.
It is easily pronounced, whereas the word "Hellen" sounds like "Helen" and that is a girl's name. And the Greeks nowadaya don't pronounce it "Hellen" but "Ellinas" and that would just confuse things for everyone.

Finally, it is easier to say "a greek coffee" instead of "a hellenic coffee" or "an elliniko coffee".

I hope this makes things clearer.
If not, well, I tried...

When did the term  Romaioi fall into dis-use.

During the Turcokratia (sp?) which term was used more by the Greeks to identify themselves as?