Are you Indian? How'd you know they speak Punjabi? A lot of Indian restaurants are Bangladeshi, Indian or Pakistani, and depending on where you live, will determine how much of each you'll get. Punjabi isnt far off Urdu, and most people will speak it to each other, even Bengalis since they can all understand it. 

Your observation is probably correct though, I think the majority of top stars there are lighter skinned, though Punjabis are not so dark generally. There's some dark ones and some light ones (when I say light I mean mediterranean lightness, and when I say dark, I mean south Indian). Perhaps there's an actor caste..

They have their own film industry. Thats the main reason. East India has it's own and so does the south. Bollywood is generally focused around Mumbai (Bombay -----Hollywood-----B-ollywood=====> Bollywood)

Caste has got very little to do with this. It's more families.  For example, if you are a member of the Bachan family your in. Likewise with the Kapoors, and Shah Rukh Khan's children will be accepted as actors (even if they are crap).

Caste may be bigger in the countryside, but in cities people rarely care about it. It's more "is your family from banglapur? im from banglapur! hey baby, wanting you to go out and drink some lassi's?"

You do get actresses who are dark though. but these tend to be newer actresses who don't mind striping down in the film sense.

In general, lighter people are found more attractive, not becasue of caste, but for the same reason tanned people are found attractive in western cultures.

Actually it was until the last century that in England fairer people were found more attractive. It wasn't till the bikini came through that being tanned came in.

No, I am not Indian. But I just happen to like to chat with people.  They told me they are from the Punjab in Norhern India.

Thanks for the answer.

It reminds me of the scene in the movie "Bent lt like Beckham" in which the mother does not want her daughter to play soccer due to sun exposure and  consequently it will darken her skin complexion and it is not considered beauty in the eye of Indian.

This is an Indian version of what some sociologists call "colourism", something that is like an open secret in the Black community - the lighter your skin colour, the "better" you get treated even (or especially) by members of your own community.  

It's so pathetic.

I like Bollywood Movies.

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by ChawwaniKiChaa I like Bollywood Movies. They definitively don't look representative of Indian population but rather they seem a Mediterranean type selected sample. I doubt they even represent the skin tone or complexion of the majority of the people of Mumbay...

actually, u'd be surprised. i personally know several indians much lighter in complexion than those in the picture. and while the main actor and all actresses are probably very heavily make-uped (word?), the indian males to the left and right are very close.

I also like Bollywood Movies.

Some of my favourite actors.

Johnny Lever

Shakti Kapoor

Ajay Devgan

Kashmira Shah

Ria Sen

Nasiruddin Shah

Mollywood-S Indian Movie Industry {Madras-now Chennai}.

Lollywood-Pakistani film Industry {Lahore}.

http://www.world.of.lollywood.fws1.com/ - http://www.world.of.lollywood.fws1.com/

LITERAL MEANING OF PAKISTAN

According to the language of the people
of this region, the term "Pak" has a very
special meaning. It means something
very fair or something free from any
evil. The literal meaning of Pakistan
is " THE LAND OF FAIR PEOPLE ",
and the literal meaning of Pakis is
"FAIR PEOPLE". In the same way,
Paki means "FAIR PERSON".
http://www.world.of.lollywood.fws1.com/ - http://www.world.of.lollywood.fws1.com/

From my understanding, Paki does not refer to "fair" but rather to pure. It is also an acronym for Punjab, Afghan, Kashmir, Indus; and the "stan" comes from Baluchistan, so the name indicates the major regions of Pakistan.

That's right. I live in California, US where there is large population of Indian. There is a city name Artesia and it is also known as "Little India" because of half of the population are Indian or Indian-descent. I have been there many times.  Frankly speaking, so far I have never rubbed up against any Indian with the facial feature and skin complexion as it depicted in the poster. The characters in the poster do show more resemblance to Persian or Arab  or even Turk than the typical Indian.

Punjabis I've known (and it's been quite a few) have had a skin complexion like those in the picture (some have been lighter, some darker), but to say their skin colour is not standard for Punjabis is ridiculous. They look very much Punjabi to me. Yes, they're more fitter, but hey, Brad Pitt doesnt resemble all Americans. 

One on the far left probably isnt standard Punjabi, but even that can be found in the Punjab.

The level of discussion is deteriorating all the time  on these boards.

Because you havent come across them doesnt mean they dont exist!!!

It just highlights your lack of insight on the topic.

Its like Michael jackson and family touring India, and Indians deducing that all Americans must be black!

Those Indians are one type of Indians, but not the only type.

There are many other types of Indians!

There are certainly HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS more light skined  people in India then Iran(i.e. ahmednejad or fairer), of this there is NO DOUBT AT ALL.(Iran popn. is only 70mil.---India 1.4billion). If we talk about percentages, then it is a different question, and maybe 50% is close to the mark?

the above actors do look north indian though.

South India has its own film Industry.

India has been considered amongst the most hetrogenous countries in the world. You should look up the meaning of this word.

ridiculously uninformed comments coming through recently!

everyone seems an expert on India, but only neighbours, Pakistan or ex-colonial British seem to know a thing about India.

People should remember it is much more than a country like Iran or spain etc. Its almost an entire world by itself(infact 1/5 of the world popn.)

I know the american president made the following comments

"Do you have black people in Brazil, too?"

Californians should aspire to being more informed then that, about the world.

This whole topic is just getting silly.

Isn't he the former king of Iran? same name... but different features lol

Far left is the classic jatt punjabi look- as anyone who has seen sikh girls in u.k. or canada will have seen that look.

But conversation getting crazy now.

nothing strange really, indians are not black and not white in the majority they are in between with different level of skin colors.

the actors are not all light colored they are of different colors and the make up part makes them lighter.

also its the industry that looking for "cute" people to act, add to all that the darker indians are the ones in the south  and they usually have different industry due to the difference in the language. while the most famouse indian movies industry (bollywood) are the ones in the Hindi language which i think same as Urdu.

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that movie poster called khamoosh lol that mean "shut up" or something?

Some of the Bollywood {female}stars whose movies I've enjoyed

Kajol

Shilpa Shetty

Rekha

Helen {she is Anglo-Burmese}

Waheeda Rahman

Madhubala

Lalita Pawar

Yana Gupta {like her item songs}...she is Polish or Czech not sure...

Divya Bharti {died too young ...}

Shabana Azmi {is she still a member of Parliament?}.....

Tun Tun

She did a song n a dance in a Bollywood Movie......

Nagma

Sangeeta Bijlani/Ayesha Azhar {she is a Sindhi}

Bollywood... the actors an actresses are absolutely fabulous...

These are my fav two men in bollywood...

Shah Rukh Khan and Karan Johar

Please be clear in your approach Killabee.

Below are pics of two Arabs.

I won't post any pics of Persians as I'm not clear about the distinction between Aryan/Persian/Iranian.

So is it a disturbing trend if most Indian actors resemble Arabs?

If by Pathans you mean Eastern Afghans and NWFP(Pakistan), they're a mixture of races (mongloid, scythian, aryan etc.) and the blue eyes/white skin genes are probably given to them by the greeks who came along with alexander.  Pathans are a very diverse group of people.  The first four pathans resemble many punjabis for sure.  The punjabi in pakistan is majority muslim and they've mantained their genes because many tend to marry cousins and it is also common for pathans and punjabis to inter marry, something the Eastern punjabi does not do.

Completely clueless. Since when did Punjabis have green and blue eyes? Look at the picture of the first Pathan.

Since when did Punjabis have green eyes?

The coloured eyes didnt come from the Greeks either. Greeks are predominantly brown eyed, and even though Pathans are also predominantly brown eyed (perhaps 30% are non brown eyed), the Greek contribution is minimal as genetics and anybody with any common sense would know. The pictures of the old pathans are naturally going to be darker skinned (happens with age, exposure to the sun), but even then they have non brown eyes from what I can see. Your suggestion that Pathans are mongoloid highlights your lacking - Pathans are not mongoloid in any way, Hazaras are Mongoloid, Pathans can be classed as Scythian and Aryan but definitely not Mongoloid. Best stick to your knowledge of India which also appears incorrect about your knowledge of marriages

In South India, in sharp contrast, marriages are preferred between cousins (especially cross-cousins, that is, the children of a brother and sister) and even between uncles and nieces (especially a man and his elder sister's daughter). The principle involved is that of return--the family that gives a daughter expects one in return, if not now, then in the next generation. The effect of such marriages is to bind people together in relatively small, tight-knit kin groups. A bride moves to her in-laws' home--the home of her grandmother or aunt--and is often comfortable among these familiar faces. Her husband may well be the cousin she has known all her life that she would marry.

http://countrystudies.us/india/86.htm - http://countrystudies.us/india/86.htm  

This one doesnt look Pathan, but if he is he would be the exception.

Hi guys.Lets stick to the topic.

Some Punjabi actors in bollywood with hazel, blue and green eyes:

            Randhir Kapoor                                                    Raj Kapoor

              Kabir Bedi                                                   Aditya Pancholi

           Hritik Roshan                                                     Sanjay Dutt

http://www.ibnlive.com/article.php?id=4932&section_id=8 - http://www.ibnlive.com/article.php?id=4932&section_id=8

""Peshawar: Peshawar the land of Pathans, known for its hospitality has been the home to many Bollywood stars.

From Pritviraj Kapoor to Raj Kapoor to Dilip Kumar, Amjad Khan and current heart throb Shah Rukh Khan, the ancient bazaar of Qissa Khawani has been home to many Bollywood legends.

Now a shop in the busy street this mansion is the birthplace of the first family in Bollywood, the Kapoor family. Raj Kapoor and his father were born here and though now it is hard to find the traces of the past there are those who remember the era gone by.

Another Indian superstar, Shah Rukh Khan, has his legion of fans and followers in Peshawar.

The love and adulation is something that the Khan family has got used to.

After partition Shahrukh's father migrated to India but the families have been in touch since then.""

fardeen khan, feroz khan and many others are not of punjabi ethnicity or origin. ++ Most of the male leading stars in Bollywood have names ending with khan.

Arbaz khan, salman khan, saifali khan, amir khan etc..

Yep, Raj Kapoor was born in Peshawar, it's most likely he's a Pathan, not Punjabi as Rajput claims. Same with Randir Kapoor, they have their origins in Peshawar. I think they had only hints of green/blue though unlike those pictures, but as for the rest of them, Kabir Bedi and Sanjay Dutt have what looks like brown eyes, but the other two most likely are on fake lenses. I've not met a Punjabi with green or blue eyes or one with their style of eyes, I have come across many Pathans with blue or green eyes though.

Sanjay Dutt's "hazel eyes"

I didn't read all of the comments here, so forgive me for sounding redundant.

I hope everybody knows that the camera and lighting can make you appear lighter than you are.  People that look light on screen aren't necessarily light in real life.   I have tons of pictures that make me look "fair", when I'm as brown as your average Indian in reality.  

Here's a picture of Meghna Naidu looking light-skinned.

Here's another picture of her.  Look at how much tanner she looks.  I can safely say that she's brown-skinned in reality, as I have seen her on stage.

I don't know what everybody's definition of "dark" is, but there are plenty of colored women that dominate the fashion ramps in India.   For example, there's Sheetal Mallar, Diandre Soares, Reshmi Ghosh, Vidisha Pavate, Carol Gracias, and Nayonika Chatterjee. 

There's also a new beautiful dark-skinned actress in the soap opera "Saat Phere."    There are others that I can think of, but I will name them only if you want me to.   

I havent seen any Punjabis with non-brown eyes really (i've heard of some, and I've seen what looked to be hazel-ish perhaps). All the Punjabis I saw had brown eyes though basically. Pashtuns I've seen are about a quarter non brown eyed (10%-30%) and the rest brown eyed.

About the Kapoor thing.

"Yaqoob Khan, a milkman, studied with Raj Kapoor in a primary school and later Kapoor got admission to Khalsa Dharam School at Khyber Bazar in the higher grade.

Yaqoob said the Kapoor’s love for Peshawar and Hindko language could be seen from the fact that Shami Kapoor and Dilip Kumar, another Peshawar resident, co-starred in a film and spoke Hindko in a Hindi film."

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-12-2003_pg7_25 - http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-12-20 03_pg7_25  

Hindko is spoken by the Hindu Pathans. 50 years ago, the Yusufzai tribe of Mardan (next to Peshawar) spoke Hindko, so it's pretty likely that Raj Kapoor & his family were Pathans from this region originally. If they were Punjab I'd expect them to trace their origin to the Punjab, not to Peshawar.

To the initial poster-

Punjab isn't the only region where light skin (or sharp/fine features) is evident.  I've also noticed that some ABI's (American-born Indians) fall prey to this stereotype.  And yes, it's not that hard to find a Punjabi that looks like your so-called "typical Indian."  Trust me, most of our family friends are Punjabi.   Just look at the PM Manmohan Singh, or actress Parminder Nagra. 

 The only reason why it may seem like Punjabis are the lightest is because they are one of the most populous groups in the South Asian diaspora.  Many Indian groups didn't migrate to the West, so the Indians that you see in America aren't necessarily an accurate reflection of all Indians. 

India is a very diverse country with all kinds of looks.  Why can't people accept that? 

In North India-Kashmiris, Sindhis, Uttaranchalis, Himachalis, some parts of Rajasthan,  and some parts of UP are reputed to have a substantial amount of light-skinned people.   I also heard the North-Eastern part of India has a lot of fair people, but I don't know too many people from there.   Udita Goswami and Shruti Agarwal are examples of North-Eastern Indian women. 

In South India/West/ Central India, the Tulus (Aishwarya's people), the Konkani Brahmins (Leena Chandrevekar's people), the Nairs, the Iyers, and the Chitpavan Brahmins are reputed to have light-skinned AND light-eyed people.  Of course, there are many dark-featured people in these groups too.  

 I don't believe that any Indian sect or Indian regional ethnicity will look homogenous.  You will even find diversity within one family.  Why is my mom light-skinned, but my brothers and I are "dark"?   Why is Aishwarya Rai light-eyed and light-skinned, but her dad is extremely dark?  

Skin color also doesn't always correlate with facial features or eye color.   I have extremely dark relatives with light eyes and narrow features, and have light-skinned friends with blunt features.    

Creams and lenses?

Exactly!  I repeat again that South Asia is a land of tremendous diversity.    

The South Asians in the West are miniscule in comparison to the multitude of ethnic groups residing in South Asia.     There are so many different groups that don't live in the West, and probably don't want to.   

I have never met a Chitpavan Brahmin here in America, but I had the opportunity to meet them in Maharashtra (when I went to visit some relatives).   I also never met any Indian with blonde hair, until I went to my parents' hometown in Allahabad.   

When you go to every part of South Asia, it opens up your eyes.

And to the person that said that they've never seen a Punjabi with light eyes, it exists.  Light eyes can occur in any South Asian community for that matter.    It's just that some communities may have a higher proportion of it? 

Even if that is the case, it's quite common for one family member to be light and another family member to be brown/dark.   The same thing goes for one family member to be light-eyed, and another to have dark eyes. 

Um, what is your definition of "typical Indian features?"  If you read my previous post, there technically is no such thing as a "typical " Indian anyway. 

I'm sorry, but I don't perceive our celebrities as looking "Arab."  I can tell such Indians apart from Arabs, Turks and Persians. 

Aishwarya Rai's big eyes, pouty lips and nose is actually quite common among Indian women.   I thought Indian women were known for their big eyes and doll-like features?

 The only deceiving thing is that she has light hair and light eyes.    But if you examine the facial structure and hair texture of Indian celebrities, you will notice that such features aren't that hard to find among Indians. 

You also got to realize that what part of India you're from doesn't always have to do with your actual roots.  There are people that claim that they're Punjabi, Gujarati, whatever....when they aren't natives of that state in the first place. 

Indians migrate a lot.  There are Gujaratis from Punjab, Sindhis from Rajasthan, etc.  I'm from UP, but my roots go back to Rajasthan. 

I knew a Gujarati guy that thought he was "half-Punjabi" because his mom was born and raised in Punjab.  But she was just a Guju that migrated there.    The ethnic dynamics of South Asia is quite confusing. 

I also don't see why it matters whether Raj Kapoor is Pathan or not?   Certain looks aren't only restricted to certain South Asian groups. 

Again, some groups may have a HIGHER proportion of certain features, but that doesn't mean that those same features are  unheard of in other sects and regions. 

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030622/world.htm

Telde,

Just out of curiosity, are you Pakistani ? 

U misunderstood me, the phenotype being presented of punjabis is not one that reflects reality.

Not all pathans are good looking some may even be ugly. punjabis in the north are fairer than punjabis in the south because of climate. But 90% of them would be described as various degrees of brown than fair. Pathans however are generally fairer and i think after watching enough news most people can accept that. lighter eye colour it is an oddity amongst the punjabis and not a norm. The opposite is true for pathans.

Kashmirs also fit this bill and it may be the case that the kapoors and others like them are Kashmirs from Peshawar. who knows and who cares!

Let me categorically state that having fairer skin and lighter eyes does not equate to beauty. Beauty is a an amalgamation of many features and proportionality. Personally i am tired of this resurfacing mental complex and the Dravidian bashing that i come across in all its subtlety.

Kapoors (Kapurs) are punjabi khatris not pathan, they were mainly businessmen in Peshawar and have fair features their dynasty was the Burdwan of Lahore.  Most of the hindus/sikhs in NWFP(Pakistan) and even Afghanistan are Khatris; fact is that they have assimilated into the culture of the pathans and speak the language and take up customs which are the lay of the land and the local population acknoledge them as so.  Some muslims I know from the hazara area and gilgit speak hindko and in no way is/was this language limited to hindus of the area.

The pure hindu pathans died out with the hindu shahi dynasty or converted to Islam.

Word.  Associating beauty with what region you are from or what ethnicity you are is just stupid.  If you go to RateDesi.com (a site filled with second-generation South-Asian Americans), you will see numerous threads dedicated to that.  It's sad how they didn't even grow up in South Asia, and that's all what they talk about.   When they try to prove that their group is better-looking than other Desi groups, they always use the "we're lighter than other Indians" claim.  

That's why I didn't understand why some of the posters were over-analyzing the Kapoor's whereabouts.  Why does it matter?  

My mom remarried a Punjabi man when I was little.  According to her wishes, I'm not allowed to acknowledge to anyone that he is my step-father.    I've had people tell me stupid stuff like, "No wonder your brothers are so tall because you're half-Punjabi," or "No wonder your cute because you got the Punjabi genes!"

Ummm...what the heck?  The joke is on them, because my Punjabi dad isn't even my biological father.   So,  I'm not really "half-Punjabi."        

Keeping in mind the topic on this thread, Bollywood is partially to be blamed for this, what type of Indians have you been talking to Omar, respect to background?  Punjabis (hindus and sardars) dont even run their own state on the Indian side, its their neighbors on the east (with rajput muscle) that run it along with a good part of north india.  

The pakistani punjab is far more diverse in its population than the indian, but I have personally noticed that punjabis on a whole (save some ligit tribes) are very conniving.  I've been involved in altercations with punjabis from both sides of the border and for some reason they don't fight unless they have atleast 5-6 other guys backing them up.  Also for some reason the punjabis of pakistan have this envy about pathans and sardars (sikhs).  But at the end of the day punjabis in pakistan run the country for sure, what do you mean when you say that they're easy to push around?  Arent they the ones pushing around the Sindhis and NWFP? (eg. Kalabagh Dam) 

PS. Whats funny is that Balochistan was initially in favor of the dam as it would actually benefit from it,  but they have now sided with the Sindhis and Pathans because of their animosity towards Punjabis and Punjabi politics..

Originally posted by Jayeshks Then again my community gets stereotyped as being chatty, bad with money and lazy...we all get to share the love

What community do you belong to Jayeshks?  I doubt there are any sardars on this board, havent come across any so far.

Must be the name that gave it away.

Originally posted by jayeshks I had no idea there were Hindu Pathans too

Yes, there are/were Hindu Pathans, not many though. More common than them are the Hindu/Sikh Afghans (Khatris) who are Punjabis and Sindhis that migrated around the 19th century (but they're not Pathans). Kapoor though is a Hindu Pathan.

I have never heard any Indian auntie or uncle talk claim that Punjabis are "big/tough people."      My dad (step-father) has never perpetuated that Punjabis are the tallest or the "biggest."    If he did say that, he would look silly because he's only 5'7.  

BUT,  I know plenty of second-generation American-born/raised Desis (both Indian and Pakistani) that believe these things.  LOL, I just tell that the big build comes from the Rajput genes from my mom's side.  It's the truth, because my nana ji was 6'5 and most of my mama ji's are at least 6 ft and up.   Some ABD's (American-born Desis) find that hard to believe, because they don't know much about Rajputs or UPites.    As a matter of fact, most of my Hindu Punjabi ABD friends don't even know what a Rajput is. 

 Again, I just think these stereotypes arise from not being exposed to the variation in South Asia.   The American diaspora mostly consists of Indian Punjabis, Pakistanis, Gujaratis and certain South Indian groups (not including Punjabi or Gujarati Rajputs here).    The average ABD (American-Born Desi) can get a narrow and biased view of Desis by just looking at what's here in America.    You would be surprised at how many ABD's don't even know what's beyond Gujarat or Punjab.  

I'm not trying to put anyone down, as some of my Punjabi friends get offended if I point out that it's possible for Punjabis to be short or brown-skinned.    It's not a bad thing to be short or darker-complected.  

On one of my trips to India I came across some rural people on the outskirts of Delhi with dirty blonde hair which was a first for me!

The first picture you posted of the young girl is a good picture, if you could have posted the link to her picture it would have been better. She has light brown to hazel eyes.

The other two pictures are of Bollywood people, which are of no use for showing green/blue eyes colours (assuming that's what you were trying to prove by this - for the last time, you cannot use rich people or Bollywood stars to prove a point like this. 

Some Delhites with fair skin for sure exist though.

The rural people I spoke of were dark in skin color but had dirty blonde hair...they were not 'fair delhites'.

Yea I figured this much, but even amongst the delhites you probably didnt speak to any gujjar or jat villagers of delhi, they hate sardars/punjabis to the same extent that the mirpuris in pakistan hate punjabis.  I think most punjabis, now financially secure, have lost that edge but there are exceptions to this rule.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Thats true, I mean they cop all the jokes, maybe its because they need 5-6 people to back them up while any Pathan, Baluchi or Sindhi would gladly take on the whole Indian army by themselves.

I dont know about your sindhis but the pathans and baloch probably would lol even the hindustani pathans (mostly Afreedi and Orakzai) for that matter carry a  "hum kisi se kum nahin" attitude, but one thing about the hindustani pathans, they get punked up REAL good by the jats, gujjars, rajputs and for some reason are always trying to show that they're authentic pathan from their mainland lol....like some gujjar or jat gives a flying f**k.  

There are around 50,000 Indians Pashtuns (lets keep the terms proper here), so how they ever get noticed, let alone pushed around is beyond me.

 As for light eyes/hair/skin, yes Pashtuns are usually very fair, the women especially. Hair is usually chestnut brown (like Shahid Afridi) but blonds are not uncommon. Most common eye color is brown, but its not in a majority, but a plurality. Next comes Green (hence the term Hare Ankaien Valee) and finally Blue.

Now TeleInduz, whats a Pakistani doing in Paraguay?

Sparten you're off on the # of Pashtuns by alot buddy, i'm curious as to the source you're using, I hope its not some shady website such as answers.com used by our beloved Gharanai baba . 

My friend in India alone there are over 10 million pashtuns!  Would you also like a breakdown per country that they inhabit?

Your figure of 50,000 Pashtuns in India is about right, it's definitely not 10 million though . 10 million Pashtuns in India would be nearly equivalent to Afghanistan!

Breakdown of Pashtuns in various countries

hey anuj who's the #1 Indian actress out there now days?

I'd go with Katrina Kaif hands down !  mama mia!

If your thread is about colourism in Bollywood.I would say colourism does exist in Bollywood.Herez how Kajol looked in Baazigar.Her first movie.

Herez another pic.

Now I have a few questions for you.

*Does Kajol look Dravidian/Non-Dravidian.

*Are Persians/Arabs olive to light skin?

This is a S Korean Actress.She has light skin which I'm sure has been lightened further  by paint and light.Does she look like Arab/Persian.

*Fair and lovely does good business in India.Assuming you are a Pakistani I'd like to know how big is the market for skin lighteners in your country.

does "khamosh" mean silent?

http://www.farsidic.com/ - http://www.farsidic.com/

Hope that answers your question Maziar.

Katrina is half-white. 

She doesn't count as an Indian actress! 

Just kidding!       

Originally posted by cattus Wow, a little heavy on the make-up but there is no doubt that this is a natural beauty.

Her eye make-up looks fine to me. 

Here's another one of my favorite "dusky" girls. 

Sheetal Mallar

She is half-kashmiri too if I remember correctly.Perhaps she could count as a Pakistani actress.What's your view?

squash that then...what about Vidya Balan?  She's more charming anyways....

LOL! I was just joking! 

I don't mind considering Katrina Kaif as an Indian actress.  If she considers herself Indian, that's fine with me.  It's up to the person to call themselves whatever they want.  

There are only a handful of strong calibre male muslim actors who are quality artists and were able develop a legacy in the Indian film industry:

http://movies.indiainfo.com/tales/images/0611_dilipkumar01.gif - Dilip Kumar    http://im.rediff.com/movies/2003/sep/11leag4.jpg - Naseerudin Shah    http://www.dishant.com/albums/1637.jpg - Farooq Shaikh     http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050717/spectrum/khan2.jpg - Amjad Khan    http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/films/bollywood/2005/10/images/feroz_khan_150.jpg - Firoz Khan  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/films/bollywood/2004/07/images/pop_up_indo_pak_project_05.jpg - Raza Murad     http://www.sfs.org.sg/2004/images/indigo/maqbool.jpg - Irfan Khan      http://www.10ka20.com/img/kamal-hasan-2.jpg - Kamal Hasan     http://www.shaadi.com/wedding/celebrities/celebtalk/images/amir-khan.jpg - Amir Khan

Not much of an actor, nor a good looker with that pakora nose of his and  he is what he is because of the support he got from the underworld, they caught that Abu Salem character and now he's about to spill the beans on all these faki lovers.  Even Salman Khan does decent comic roles compared to this guy, face it man the quality of bollywood has gone down tremendously.

Sure, Amir Khan has this zeal for acting and he's a real perfectionist to the extent that his coworkers say hes gone insane, that is a strong committment to ones work.  Shah Rukh Khan became what he became because he 'shared' a good amount of profits of movies with the underworld guys for which he was rewarded by getting first priority in all the movies and gigs.  His 'best' work was probably in Devdas and Deewanapan where he played a villan.

Paresh Rawal hands down he's talented and that new guy Rajpal Yadav is funny too.

You heard about Rakesh Roshan getting into a shoot out with some underworld guys? Hritik had just come into the business, word is that Shah Rukh Khan approached Dawood for that stunt cuz Hritik was killing the competition and Rakesh wouldnt pay up for 'protection'! 

PS. What about that Sanjay Dutt fellow, his mom (Nargis) was a muslim who married Sunil Dutt-- Pakistani Haleem meets Punjabi Kebabi and what do you get? ...lol 'Sanju baba'

You are welcome Maziar.I got the impression that you are a German and unfamiliar with Bollywood.

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Doesn't he look like the Indian father in Monsoon Wedding?  

Why did that guy say he was the former King of Iran?  

Yana Gupta....sooo tempting...

I hope you're aware that she's not Indian either.