Great City-State Empires
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Topic: Great City-State Empires
Posted By: Winterhaze13
Subject: Great City-State Empires
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 12:17
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What is the greatest city-state in history? ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
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Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 12:47
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Military Skill: Rome, Carthage and Sparta Cultural Influence: Athens, Venice and Florence Political Influence: Rome, Athens and Babylon Economic Influence: Rome, Athens and Florence My interests: Troy, Carthage and Florence ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 12:55
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Rome for me
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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 13:01
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Babylon & Persipolis ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid 
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 13:32
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Ahmad, Persepolis wasn't a city state, the Hakhamanesh Empire was not born from Persepolis. ------------- |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 13:41
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Venice, a great naval powerm a great Pope defier, and th elongest lasting republic in history. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 14:15
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Who disolved the Venetian Republic and in what year? ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 14:26
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Carthage! They excelled in all your cathegories: war, economy, cultural influence, political influence. They just were unlucky enough to be defeated and totatlly destroyed by their neighbours, who only excelled in war and politics. They even sailed to the southern hemisphere... tell me of such an exploration by Romans... Rome was so parochial.  The world would have run faster if Hannibal would have won. I can imagine "discovering" America in the 2nd century and maybe no Christianity nor Islam would have ever spread at all. Instead, see what happened with the Romans. |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 14:36
I think it was in the 19th century, by creating an Italian Kingdom, about 1860. Rome and Athens are victorious in your list, but i favour Rome.. ------------- |
Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 15:00
No, it was earlier. Venice actually belonged to the Austrian Empire for a short period between the time the republic was disolved and it ceased to be a city-state and when it became a part of the Italian state. ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 15:04
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then i believe that not before then 1815.. ------------- |
Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 15:11
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It was before 1815. ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 15:13
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I really can't see anything but Rome winning from that list. I can see though that there could be a challenge on the ground it wasn't really a city-state, not for long anyway. On the other hand, how come the others in the list get to be classed as empires? In fact I'm somewhat worried by the idea that something can be a city-state and an empire, both at the same time.
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 20:44
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Venice was dissolved by Napoleon as he threatend to blow it out of the water with his guns. One of the many reasons I hate Napoleon. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 23:35
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I went with Sparta (I have leanings). The lifestyle and dedication of the Spartans are admirable. Additionally, I admire their administrative setup. Their uniquely functioning three-class system is especially interesting. Can't argue they had an empire to match Rome's, or even Athens's, but it definately paved the way for future conquests eastwards. ------------- τρέφεται δέ, ὤ Σώκρατης, ψυχὴ τίνι; |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 23:38
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Ashur or Assyria.... Laid the foundation for all the other empires to come. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 05:10
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The Venetian Republic ended in 1797 thanks to the threats of Napoleon. The Venetians surrendered without a shot being fired, after happily living in a state of blissful inviolability for centuries upon centuries. John Julius Norwich gives a good account of it all. As for best city-state cum Empire I pick Rome. Let's face it, up until the point it made the transition from a city with an empire to an empire with a city I don't think another single city in the world had carved out such an impressive dominion. ------------- |
Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 03:35
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What Venice, Genoa, Pisa and other cities were for the Mediterranean, the cities of the Hanseatic League were for the Northern European area.
The Free Cities of Hamburg, Luebeck, Bremen etc. were rich and influentual city states that dominated trade in Germany, the North Sea and the Baltic from the 12th to the mid 15th century. The status of Hamburg and Bremen during the Middle Ages, as independent city states only subject to the HRE Emperor, has virtually been preserved until today, as they are both still independent states inside the federal system of the BRD. That surely must be some kind of record! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League - Wikipedia on the Hanseatic League ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 03:49
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Ofcourse, I live in Estonia (we had like 4 or 5 Hansa cities) and i
forgot Lbeck, whose rights dominated on Baltic Sea, whilst it gave
city-rights (to Tallinn) and was a enourmous trade center. ------------- |
Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 12:16
That's right!! ------------- Indeed, history is nothing more than a tableau of crimes and misfortunes. -- Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 19:24
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Genoa dominated European Economy (it invented modern economy) for about 5 centuries. Genoese had commercial offices in all Mediterranean Sea Coasts and Europe, it's bankeers were everywhere and all around Europe you can find a genoese mark. Bruges, Sevilla, Paris, Milan, Rome, Istanbul, Gibraltar, Azov, Naples, Palermo, Corsica, Sardinia ecc.... ------------- |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 22:19
you forgot carthage ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: LeopoldPhilippe
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2015 at 20:33
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I like the Florentine Republic.
The poets, Dante and Petrarch, and the novelist Boccaccio flourished at Florence. The Florentines wove in silk and wool, made jewelry, and were the leading bankers of Europe. |