Personally I differ. People migrate north to the US for mostly manual jobs. How about the US moves all it's manual jobs south. Closes all its factories, mines, maunfacturing industry. The labour and manufacture costs south of the border will be much cheaper, it makes perfect capitalistic sense and then no-one will need to come north for work. All the work will be south.

 

This does make economic sense, the USA would benefit from shifting many of its labour intensive industries to countries which can perform them more efficiently while concentrating on the knowledge intensive and technology sectors which its university institutions give it such an advantage.

 

However, interest groups have huge interest in the US government's decisions. Lobby groups for agriculture, mining, manufacturing and a range of other labour intensive industries would simply not allow for such an economic restructuring to take place. Bush signed virtually every single request for economic protection put to him by special interest economic lobby groups. For the executive to hold power, it needs to have support from industry and low skilled workers who vote. Until it works out how to overcome their political opposition to economic restructuring, it is constrained in what it can do.

 

Going southbound. Wasn't that a thin lizzy song?

 

Been there. Done that. Well not personally but this is an ongoing fixture with current multiglobals. Locally the big three auto manufacturers and her suppliers have set shop down south across the border with cheaper labor at the expense of us having to watch Lou Dobbs on CNN complaining about the weakened middle class. With shrinking production in Michigan we get such ingenious alternatives by the governor. http://www.macombdaily.com/stories/071807/loc_granholm001.shtml - http://www.macombdaily.com/stories/071807/loc_granholm001.shtml

Raising various taxes. Shrinking police forces, reducing jail sentences (30,000 dollars per inmate head is too costly to maintain) etc. etc. the list keeps growing each year. http://www.wwmt.com/news/jail_36969___article.html/sentences_felonies.html - http://www.wwmt.com/news/jail_36969___article.html/sentences_felonies.html

 

I think we need to remain competitive within the US. Then we could sell abroad and locally.  

 

I agree with most here that a wall is not the solution regarding the immigration issues. It just might be a solution to keep jobs in the US though. Now that's a Michael Moore moment for ya.

 

 

"Danger Radioactive" along with a newspaper story/scandal exposing the use nuclear waste as part of the fence construction should do the trick.

So build a wall, but a wall that prevents Businesses and Home owners from Harboring Illegals. Then these Illegals can't say it's racism and only Hispanics are targetted, because there isn't a wall, and there isn't racial profiling, it's making sure the Business owner has his workers backgrounds checked out, and I'm sure there could be a good and efficient way made up.

 

With that though, I believe ICE agents should always be on the look out and actually doing the job they are supposed to, and border patrols need to continuly be stepped up along with top technology.

We have a immigration system so we know who is coming in, and to keep track of new citizens. If we just open our border and allow the millions that want to come in without a problem, then what? Our schools alone are having a problem with the student body being so large, and there are alot of children in them with parents who are Illegal. We can't even handle the Illegals who are in gangs, which number way up in the thousands. Imagine a more free immigration policy.

A country makes laws to grant freedoms and oppertunities for it's own people. We don't have laws set here ment for Mexicans, Polish, Chinese, or whoever else. A country and government are setup to support it's own people, not the rest of the world.

 

Why not? Killing Mexicans you achieve the goal of preventing to enter. Don't you?

If migrants don't pay their taxes because they are illegal, it won't help the schools will it? If non-US citizens are kept out of scholarships, they'll stay in the streets. If illegal aliens are banned from bringing their kids in the country you are growing the future generation of thugs in the streets of Mesoamerica.

A country makes laws to grant freedoms and oppertunities for it's own people. We don't have laws set here ment for Mexicans, Polish, Chinese, or whoever else. A country and government are setup to support it's own people, not the rest of the world.
That is precisely what we are talking about. American have two options: 1) Spend a lot of money on a useless system feeding crime or 2) Share the costs with the migrants themselves and put yourself in charge again of your own destiny.

 

Yes. In 2050 1 in 4 Americans will be Latino, anyways. They will have some political muscle then. They will ask someone to pay the bill.

 

I just hope Mexico develops more to stop wasting its people in a country that doesn't deserve it. At least in parts of South America we reached a point we don't need to clean the bathroom of gringos to live a decent life. Let's hope Latino immigration stop soon enough...

 

It will be better for us.

 

Pinguin

 

 

 

The West has plundered the rest of the world for centuries. Under British rule real pro-capita income of India was the same for centuries. All the profits went to Britain. The same for Africa, and other parts of Asia. In Americas and Australia, the natives have not even survived Western plunder.

 

Today the West (actually, the North) is still sucking the Third World dry through unjust loan repayments, IMF, WTO, EU, NAFTA policies and even military invasions which force their markets open for Western capital.

 

Western capital can go to your country and take the profits back to the West. However, when as a member of the labour force, you try to move to the West, you are a problem. You are an alien, illegal, with no human rights. You are sub-human, you are the Jew of the 21st century.

 

Today the Third World pays 1 billion USD every single day to the rich West. A vast transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, in the form of interest of the debts taken by corrupt Western-puppet dictators in the past. The debts themselves can never get paid, and everybody knows it. They are the way to suck the Third World dry. 

 

And you dare to say that you are supporting the Third World.

 

I think you are right about one thing, though. The Third World countries should do something for their people. Luckily some people are working. Today BBC reports 4 US troops killed by roadside bomb.

 

Just get your military bases in 130+ countries and your WTO and IMF and stick them up wherever you like, and the Third World will be just fine.

If migrants don't pay their taxes because they are illegal, it won't help the schools will it?

While many do, I'm willing to bet a hell of alot more don't. There's no reason to believe they do, especially when they don't have to. There's no way of telling how many do.

If non-US citizens are kept out of scholarships, they'll stay in the streets. If illegal aliens are banned from bringing their kids in the country you are growing the future generation of thugs in the streets of Mesoamerica.

Or we can enforce our set laws and kick'em all out. It worked in the past for a year or so when the issue was brought up, then we got lazy again. If we stop doing it in bursts, we might actually see better results! Or hell, may not have had this problem now!

2) Share the costs with the migrants themselves and put yourself in charge again of your own destiny.

So spend money on people who don't belong here in the first place when there are hundreds of problems that citizens are facing without immigration?

What about my co-worker who used to have his own Roofing Company but got beat out by others who used Illegals? He has a Daughter who he was struggling to keep her in College for her future. He basicly lived day by day. Worked as a Framer during the day, and a Night shift as a Chef right after that. His truck kept breaking down, but he needed it to scrape up extra money during the Winter for plowing. His parents came here from Italy legally to live out the American dream, so that he can live too. My Grandparents did the same, weren't that well off in Italy so moved to the US.

We even have a guest worker program that allows over 400,000 in a year, but even then most over stay their visa and can't be tracked down. So we have to punish the businesses themselves.

Yes. In 2050 1 in 4 Americans will be Latino, anyways. They will have some political muscle then. They will ask someone to pay the bill.

Ofcourse, race is what it's all about with you. "Latinoes" by then will be integrated, most probably won't even be able to speak Spanish like past generations of immigrants, like my family. So what is your point? Are you saying they are self serving? Or do they like to work for whats good for the country and not themselves?

I just hope Mexico develops more to stop wasting its people in a country that doesn't deserve it.

As does most of the US. Problem is Mexico makes billions offf of Illegals coming into the US.

At least in parts of South America we reached a point we don't need to clean the bathroom of gringos to live a decent life.

Gringos huh? Didn't I tell you once before I find that offensive? If I said a similar word for the Hispanic community, I'd be banned.

Let's hope Latino immigration stop soon enough...

I don't, I don't mind immigration. I just don't like the breaking  of the Law by Illegal Aliens, which I'll remind you, ISN'T JUST DONE BY HISPANICS! You seem to have a guilty conscience when ever illegals are brought up in Immigration policies of the US. In every thread on it, I try to make it clear it's not just Hispanics, obviously, I don't make it clear enough....

 

I really am not worried about aliens working in the US. They tend to be hard workers at discount prices. Once they pay into the tax base the better for all. My issue is that American companies have shifted jobs wholesale to other countries at the cost of losing American jobs. Surely it is done so as to remain internationally competitive. Viable and productive sales are a necessity. I just wonder if the UAW and Big Three can make the local workforces competitive again. I hope so. Otherwise I can still hear a big sucking sound.

My issue is that American companies have shifted jobs wholesale to other countries at the cost of losing American jobs

It's corperate America who I blame for this mess. They look for the cheap laber while filling their pockets with multi-million dollar Xmas bonuses.

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy Let's hope Latino immigration stop soon enough... I don't, I don't mind immigration. I just don't like the breaking  of the Law by Illegal Aliens, which I'll remind you, ISN'T JUST DONE BY HISPANICS! You seem to have a guilty conscience when ever illegals are brought up in Immigration policies of the US. In every thread on it, I try to make it clear it's not just Hispanics, obviously, I don't make it clear enough....

Do you preffer to be called "UnitedStatian"? We won't call you American, though, because we are also Americans.

You can call me Mary if it makes you happy. Just don't use insulting words, ones you know that are insulting, and ones I've told you I dislike in the past. I respect you enough not to call you a slur, I'd appreciate the same.

Why to colaborate with people to a country that hate us, anyways?

Do you have a inferiority complex? Americans don't hate South America at all. What do you want from us, you just told me how you are big boys now and can pull up your pants on your own, but you still seem pissed at us. Americans didn't do anything to you guys, hell, half of us can't even name the countries in South America beyond Brazil. Our government may have screwed up in the past, maybe even now, but Americans don't hate South Americans.

 

So, in the long term we won't be a problem for your country anymore. Thanks God.

Were South Americans really a big problem? Below our border, it's mostly been Guadamalans(sorry if I spelled that wrong) and Mexicans. Both of which don't seem to be developing their countries' all that well.

 

Yes. I bet our hate is against the U.S. government politics of the past. 100 invasions and interventions that we can't forget at all, because affected the lives of all. Latin Americans don't have anything against the common people of the United States at all.

 

It is sad to see Mexicans are treated at the border, though.

 

 

Yes, they are. It is very shameful.

 

Pinguin