Something that may be new to Muslims
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Topic: Something that may be new to Muslims
Posted By: pekau
Subject: Something that may be new to Muslims
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 20:02
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Against popular misconception, majority of the Muslims around the world do not live in Middle East. (I found it not too long ago...) I was somewhat stunned, but I thought that some of the people interested in Muslim might know this. (I am sure. After all, it's their religion)
1. Indonesia - 154 million
2. Middle East and Northern Africa - 144 million
3. Bangladesh - 90 million
4. Pakistan - 90 million
5. India - 70 million
6. China (I know some are making
 face) - 63 million7. Turkey - 46 million
And the list goes on. Give or take.
Did you know that there are 1.5 million Muslims in Great Britain and over 5 million Americans are Muslim?
In total, there are about 850 million Muslims worldwide... making Islam the biggest religion only second to Christianity.
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Posted By: Dan Carkner
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 22:31
| Yes I read this on Wikipedia not too long ago. It's interesting. Now perhaps you see why some Muslims outside of the middle east feel ignored! |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 22:37
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I was wondering, how could there be so many Muslims in China? I thought they were either Communists, Buddist, or other Chinese religions. How did Islam got into China? ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 23:03
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Those figures are way out of date. Consider population of Turkey--> Turkey's Population Exceeds 72 Million as of june 2005.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=15418 - http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=15418
India has 140 million muslims.
Indonesia has atleast 200.
Pekau, you need to get new statistics.
All in all i think the actual figure may be close to 1.5 billion.
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 23:27
Noted. I just found bits of info flying around. Thanks for your advice.
By the way, Indonesia still has much of the Muslim's population... right?
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 01:12
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right.
Chinese population seems too high, allthough i admit there is little statistical data available. ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 07:06
Strapping on a few dynamite belts would change that overnight.
 Point being; the media are only interested in those that shout the loudest, and are the most extreme. ------------- |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 07:14
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Ignore the official numbers for Turkey. Only the minorities are considered non-Muslim. There are many atheist, agnostic, nontheist Turks. ------------- |
Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:27
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Actually, Turkic people adopted Islam as their religion beginning from Talas war of 757 which took place between Arabs and Chinese. Turkic people sided with The Arabs an got to know about Islam. So Islam gained a place in the Central Asian World. Also There are millions of Turkic Uigur people residing in China. Their region is also called East Turkestan.
Check the link.. There are also some good material on Islam in China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uigur - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uigur ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Leonardo
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:47
This is bull* islamist propaganda or, better said, dawaganda
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:49
there are also ethiv chinese who are muslim like the HUI According to the 2000 census, the largest of the ten traditionally Muslim ethnic groups in China are the /wiki/Hui - Hui (9.8 million in year 2000 census, or 48% of the officially tabulated number of Muslims). The other nine, in descending order of size, are /wiki/Uyghurs - Uyghurs (8.4 million, 41%), /wiki/Kazakhs - Kazakhs (1.25 million , 6.1%), /wiki/Dongxiang_people - Dongxiang (514 thousand, 2.5%), /wiki/Kirghiz - Kirghiz (161 thousand), /wiki/Salar_people - Salar (105 thousand), /wiki/Tajiks - Tajiks (41 thousand), /wiki/Bonan - Bonan (17 thousand), /wiki/Uzbeks - Uzbek (12 thousand), and /wiki/Tatars - Tatar (5 thousand). However, individual members of traditionally Muslim ethnic groups may profess other religions or none at all, while Muslim believers may also be found among traditionally non-Muslim groups (one example being the /wiki/Kache - Kache , who are /wiki/Tibetan_people - ethnically Tibetan ).Muslims are predominatly in the areas thatborder Central Asia, Tibet and Mongolia, i.e /wiki/Xinjiang - Xinjiang , /wiki/Ningxia - Ningxia , /wiki/Gansu - Gansu and /wiki/Qinghai - Qinghai which is know as the Quran Belt ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 09:22
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Of course, there is an awful lot of Chinese people, so even if only a small percentage of them is muslim, that is still a lot in absolute numbers... ------------- 
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 11:50
Because the Lord told you so?
 . Although it is the most commonly quoted figure by CNN, FOX, BBC, i personally think the actual number might be close to 1.3 billion. But that is irrelevant to the point. which is that the population is almost double the quoted figure.
"DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (CNN) -- For many of the world's estimated 1.5 billion Muslims, Islam is more than a religion -- it's a creed that governs every aspect of life, including business. "
http://www.time.com/time/interactive/religion/dubai_np.html?pindex=15 - http://www.time.com/time/interactive/religion/dubai_np.html?pindex=15
http://www.islamicpopulation.com/index.html - http://www.islamicpopulation.com/index.html ------------- |
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Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 13:34
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Posted By: Killabee
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 14:30
That's right. Most of Chinese Muslim either belong to the Hui ethnic group, who are thought to be the descendant of Arab and Persian settled in China long time ago or the Turkic-speaking group. There are very few Han Chinese convert muslim.
Xi Tujue, do you speak Chinese? 'Cause your name in Mandarin Chinese means "Western Turk".
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 21:43
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There are something like 200 million Indonesians 150 million Indians (although even up to 300 is quoted sometimes, 150 is the census) 150+ million Pakistanis 200ish million Bengalis (less than Indonesia) + Malaysia, the Phillipines and Thailand Thats a minimum 700 million in South - South East asia alone 20 million Chinese (including Uyghur) 30 million Europeans (don't know how Europe is defined) 70 million Turks 60 million Iranis 10 million Americans ------ 900 million + Central Asia, Russia, Africa, of which I have no idea what the population is. Isn't Nigeria's population about 100 million and 60% muslim? And thats without the Arabs. So definitely in the 1.3-1.5 billion region. Although population statistics for much of the muslim world is out of date. The "offical" figures are 1.5 billion muslims, 2.1 billion Christians. With hindusim at third with 900 million. ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 07:00
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Same as for Turkey, not everyone in Iran considers themself Muslim. Government says we are 99% Muslim! And they kill anyone who says otherwise or practises otherwise!
How many more actually call themselves Muslim and live more like heathens? lol. Iran has 300,000 prostitutes from a population of 70,000,000 - now they have customers too! ------------- |
Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 07:28
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But being a prostitute does not exclude being a muslima, neither does visiting a prostitute exclude being muslim. These might not be very 'good' muslims perhaps, but when they believe they are still muslims. -------------
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 08:15
Yea, I said, they call themselves Muslims but don't really act like how a Muslim should - Hypocrites, as with most followers of Abrahamic religions. The worst kind being American Christian pro-lifers. 
I heard somewhere that Islam is the fastest growing religion, it was Islamic propaganda, I beleive this is the case only becuase Islamic countries have the higehst birth rates, not because everyone is converting en masse - very misleading. ------------- |
Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 12:36
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as well as the Arabs Muslims 300,000,000. ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid 
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 19:15
What I don't get is this. Due to the Cultural Revolution under Communist regime in China... all the religions were banned. And that ended when Mao died, right? That's about 20 - 30 years, give or take. Within that time period, over tens of millions of Chinese were converted to Islam? It makes no sense.
Of course, one could always justify the answer by saying, "Witness the power of Allah", but I'd like some logical explainations. ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: Wrageowrapper
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 19:22
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Just because the government says something doesn't mean the people automatically become atheists. Religion had been an important part of China for the past 3k years or so, alot of the customs were hard to estinguish. Sort of like Odinism in Scandinavia after Christianisation. ------------- Nuenonne Palawa-kani wrageowrapper. |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 19:51
Yeah, Mao banning religion didn't turn people atheist. Same as in the Soviet Union, people can enforce atheist (or any other ideology) but that doesn't mean people will convert. The 20 million figure is after 1300 years of trade, not 20-30 years of conversion.
The Irani government allows prostitutes? ------------- |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 20:05
Possibily a corruption, black market... you know what I am talking about. ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: Dan Carkner
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 22:07
| Supposedly the government of Iran arranges "temporary marriages" of pleasure for men, which is essentially prostitution. |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 23:02
Agreed.
The number of prostitutes is not surprising for the reasons cited by Zagros. There are many hypocrites in Iran that are circumstantial or incidental Muslims, some out of convenience I guess. A significant section of Iranian populace is actually irreligious. It may be a reaction to the stern control of the regime. A lot prostitutes working in the UAE and gulf states are Iranian also. I don't think it is because of poverty though. Funnily enough Iran is also the nose-job capital of the world.
Temporary marriages are a Shiite peculiarity and from what i have heard are quite common in Iran. ------------- |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 00:48
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This is my own subjective estimate for Turkey:
Muslims - 90 % Atheists, Agnostics, Nontheists - more than 9 % Christians, Jews, Others - less than 1 % ------------------------------------------ Among Muslims... Muslims, living by the Quran - less than 1 % Muslims, who comsume alcohol and do other 'prohibited' stuff - more than 99 % ------------- |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 03:00
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 06:09
In the meantime, where do you end the borders of Middle East is also a question to be considered. Because some books include also Turkey and Pakistan within Middle East concept . That adds at least 215 million people as well ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 14:55
This looks like too many  ------------- |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 17:33
Well, they are becoming a really popular belief these days... what is that percentage based on? ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 09:25
As I said before, those percentages are based on none other than my own observations. And it includes nontheists too. One doesn't have to say "I don't believe in the existence of god." like a negative atheist or "I believe in the nonexistence of god." like a positive atheist. If a person doesn't think about god, doesn't speak about god, doesn't care about god, then he is in that '9%'. ------------- |
Posted By: Denis
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 09:29
They are probably the Uighurs, going way back to the mighty Persian, Uzbek and Mongol civilisations. ------------- "Death belongs to God alone. By what right do men touch that unknown thing" Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 10:58
Since when does a government have to allow prostitution for it to exist? lol. But ye, there is this tmporary marriage (sighe) which can last a few hours where, most often, dirty Mullahs and Imams marry prostitutes and have sex with them legally and pay them. Makes them think they not commiting moral misconduct. ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 11:09
What does nose job capital of the world have to do with anything!? Are nose jobs against Islam?  And are you trying to claim Iranians are perverse by saying that it isn't because these women are poor that they are prostitues? Do you mean to say that so many people become prostitutes as a recreation? Are you kidding me?
What I said is that they also call themselves Muslim, despite their immorality. Iranian Muslims are no worse than Pakistani Muslims or any other Muslims, least of all Arabs. All of them are hypocritical, alcohol drinking, promiscuous scoundrels save the devout poor and a few honourable others. Just look at the Arab sheikhs or, the so called, Muslim men in the West who think they can do wahtever they want because when they fast, all will be forgiven... ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 00:37
Is there great wealth disparity in Iranian society? What percentage lives below the poverty line? ------------- |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 13:05
Several of the figures (or implied figures) seem too high.
10 Million Americans? Is that North America, only the USA, or does that count the Carribean as well. I think the number counting USA, Canada and the Carribean, the actual number is closer to 5-6 million.
-Indonesia is about 10% Christian
-The Christian / Molsem ratio in Nigeria is probably far closer to to 50-50. There has not been a census in decades for fear of inciting religous / ethnic violence.
-The Phillipines is only about 10% Moslem and Thailand is less than 5%.
-Malaysia includes significant numbers of Christians, Buddhists and Hindus
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 17:41
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You might be right about America, they are only guesstamates.
Indonesia may well be 10% christian, there are still over 200 million muslims in it though. Malaysia doesn't have that many Christians, its mainly a muslim - chinese religions split, with a hindu minority.
PS.
According to the CIA world Factbook ( https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html - https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html )
Indonesia has a population of 245 million, which is 88% muslim, 5% Protestant, 3% Catholic, 2% Hindu, 1% buddhist and 1% other
Thats 215 million muslims, 20 million christians.
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