Islamic State : Who Begins

i think there will be an islamic empire. one state will grow really strong, and conquer  the other muslim countries by force. thats wat i honestly think the way to do it is. and thats how its always happend in the the past.

prophet muhamed  united arabia through force....at first at least.

then after he died, it was gona fall apart, but abu bakr managed to keep it intact after a violent campain.

same with the ummayads, when they killed ali and finished off his descendants because they didnt agree with them being in power.

another example is the ottamens, they got other muslims in their empire through conquest as well.

 im afraid voilence is the only language we understand.

Originally posted by Super Goat (^_^) i think there will be an islamic empire. one state will grow really strong, and conquer  the other muslim countries by force. thats wat i honestly think the way to do it is. and thats how its always happend in the the past. prophet muhamed  united arabia through force....at first at least. then after he died, it was gona fall apart, but abu bakr managed to keep it intact after a violent campain. same with the ummayads, when they killed ali and finished off his descendants because they didnt agree with them being in power. another example is the ottamens, they got other muslims in their empire through conquest as well.  im afraid voilence is the only language we understand.

huh?!

Prophet mohammed didnt unite Arabia by force not at the begining and not at the end. he stayed 13 years preaching people in macca and when the muslim population increased he travelled to madia who already became muslims and wellcomed him he didnt conquer madia.

then the rest of gaswas started for the protection of the religion and most of these battels were a last option ones at the point when his enemies decided to end them. also Yemen became muslim peacefully.

and after his death only a group of people in yemen and oman did revolt in not paying Zakah and what was called "kharaj" to the 1st Caliph AbuBaker then he launched an attack against them.

Umayyads didnt kill Caliph Ali, the Ummayad caiiphat's reagon hasn't begun yet when Caliph ali was Alive!

and voilence isn't the only lanugage we understand its the last option used. i assume by we you mean muslims.

 

also i know most of the uniting happend through preaching...but take the capture of mecca for example, he marched with 10000 to mecca, although there was no fighting, meccans surrendered primarily because of the overwhelming strength. and thats what i mean...that if theres a strong enough country, other countries will realize wats best for them and join....doesnt necessarily have to be violent.

so just sitting around and hope for countries to miracliously unite probably will take a while

and also, i know the ummayads werent in control, but Muawiyah was made something like governer over syria or sham at that time....

Edited by Super Goat (^_^)

also i know most of the uniting happend through preaching...but take the capture of mecca for example, he marched with 10000 to mecca, although there was no fighting, meccans surrendered primarily because of the overwhelming strength.

hz muhammed and the meccans made a peace treaty that promised that for 10 years none would attack each other and the muslims wer allowed to enter mecca without being harmed ad vica versa. WHEN THE MECCANS BROKE THIS TRUCE THEN AND ONLY THEN DID THE MUSLIMS CONQUEOR MECCA. which was inevitable becoz the capture of mecca was written in the koran way before it was conquored, just another miracle of our holy book.

and thats what i mean...that if theres a strong enough country, other countries will realize wats best for them and join....doesnt necessarily have to be violent.

i dont no why but u seem to have a bad view of muslims being violent and aggressive. this is propaganda used by the west, but it seems our muslims also believe it due to lack of knowledge i guess (i assumed ur muslim, if not i appologise). war is the last ever option in our book.

"fight in the way of allah, against those who fight against you, ...but if they stop let there be no more war, for ALLAH NEVER LOVES THE STARTER OF WARS"

If a few years ago, I would have said Afghanistan and be proved wrong in the end ... or at least at this point in time.

Edited by Hamoudeh

Originally posted by azimuth and for most of the Islamic history the Caliphs weren't the religious leaders of the Caliphate nor they were religious themselves.

I concur, the duty of the emir or khalifa(caliph) is to simply dispense with affairs of the state and to not go against the rulings of Islam and were as liable and subject to appearance in the Law Court as anyone else.

When good persons became caliphs and attained the power of that office, they used it to bring about prosperity justice and freedom. But the same power when wielded by a tyrannical caliph caused the opposite to happen.

 

Edited by malizai_

I guess the last of an Islamic State was the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan led by Emir-ul-Mumenien Mullah Mohammad Omer and distroyed by Americans with the help of fellow muslim nation Pakistan.

agree islam only has brought bad things to my nation, not one thing it brought was positve or not acheavable without islam... But i dont heel link bitching i m trying to make my country a better place  without islamic extemism or any religion in the government.

i hope you only have one islamic state in 2016 and that one wont be Iran

Good luck with that turkey is that last Islamic country that will establish the Caliphate.