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    Posted: 15-Jan-2007 at 14:36

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages

Written in the Hieroglyphic Hittite:
 
 
Transliteration: pa-t-na-sa-n t-p wa-s₆-na-m₅ XL was-was-ki XXX r-s-t-m₅ ś₃-kar-kar (HA) har-s₆-ta₅ LUGAL | par-t-ta₅-wa₅ ki-ś₃-a₄- KUR-u-pa-ti QU-wa-a₅ | i₅-pa-ś₂-a-m₂
Transcription: patinasana tapa. vasnam: 40 vasaka 30 arzatam ikar. UTA harsta XAYAL. | Partitava xaya DAHYUupati xva|ipayam
Translation: "Delivered dish. Value: 40 calves 30 silver iqlu. And it was presented to the king. | King Partitavas, the masters of the land property."

King Partitava is identical to the Scythian king which is called Prototyēs in Herodotus (1.103) and Par-ta-tu-a in the Assyrian sources.
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Thanks very interesting! But I thought the Scythians didnt write.


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That was the first scythian writing I have seen, very intresting, thank you
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very interesting CyrusTongue
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Do you know any place belong to Scythians in Iran?

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It seems to be very similar to Persian language, in fact some words are the same as Old Persian words:

Arzata (Modern Persian Arziz) = Silver [Of course in the old Persian it was Ardata, the letter "z" was not in the old Persian alphabet but in Median]
Uta (Modern Persian o [Tho o man = You and me]) = And
Xaya (Modern Persian Shah) = King
Dahyu (Modern Persian Deh) = Land/Country/Village

I coudn't find other words in the old Persian inscriptions, but there are some similar words in Pahlavi:

Tapa (Pahlavi Tapag, Modern Persian Tabaq [arabicized])= Large Dish
Vasaka (Pahlavi Varzaka [Varz=to work; Varzow=Domestic Bull; -aka=Small/Young]) = Calf
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Posts: 6240 		  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2007 at 12:44
Do you know any place belong to scythians is Iran?
Our Sistan (Sakastan) is the land of Sakas (Scythians), of course Sakkez is in the north west of Iran.
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That is very interesting Cyrus Shahmiri. Thank you for the information.
I guess it is understandable that it is similar to Persian since it is believed that scythians spoke a north-eastern Iranic language. There must be even more similarities with Ossetian language.
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Scythian were one of the important elemnts who made the Iranian nation.

They were very close to Meds, I still belive that Iran( especially Azerbaijan in west and sistan at east ) was the main country for scythians.

 
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The interesting thing is that it has been found in Zivieh Village in the southeast of Sakkez, some say the word "Zivieh" may relate to Izirtu, the capital of the Mannaean but it also has been said that there can be a relation between this word and "Ziwie" (Ancient Slavic God of life), the Persian word for life is "Zindegi".

A ring or bracelet which has been found in Zivieh (Sakkez):

Persepolis - Apadana, E Stairway, Tribute Procession, the Saka Tigraxauda Delegation: (similar rings in the hands of a Scythian)
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 21:14
Many say that the name Saka itself is related to the name Saxon of Anglo-Saxon, the latter from "seax", a one-sided knife. As a matter of fact a Miss Sharon Turner, as far back as 1827 was so mesmerized by the relationship of Persian to English that she derived the Anglo-Saxons from the Scythians! Her document: http://www.abcog.org/turner.htm
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

The interesting thing is that it has been found in Zivieh Village in the southeast of Sakkez, some say the word "Zivieh" may relate to Izirtu, the capital of the Mannaean but it also has been said that there can be a relation between this word and "Ziwie" (Ancient Slavic God of life), the Persian word for life is "Zindegi".

 
There was no a slavic God like this, however this word looks very similar to some forms of the Slavic verb to live "zhit". Zhivi means leave.
 
Apart from that. Slavic languages are considerd to be the most closest to Iranian languages among the Western Indoeuropean languages.
 
 There is also a number of Skythian words in modern Slavic languages, like topor -axe,  sobaka-dog, those are 2 most famous Skythian words in Russian language.


Edited by Sarmat12 - 31-Oct-2007 at 18:05
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