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    Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 18:19
Originally posted by kapikulu


you mean a minority?


Nope, read some books....

Originally posted by bg_Turk

Armenia got rid of as many as 200,000 Azeri Turks within her territories. Where was their right to defend themselves?


They had no line of defense, and it is a tragedy...the 350,000 Armenians who fled Azerbaijan also had no line of defense.
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Originally posted by bg_turk

Exactly, the gap in opinion is unbirdgeable.

We'd both be better off talking to a brick-wall rather than continuing this pointless discsussion ad infitum and ad nauseum, and turning it into a futile meaningless excercise in rhetorical skills.

I'm off.



     Well, its good for all of us to hear the other side of the story.

     But honestly, I still don't know what right Azerbaijan had to annex the lands from Armenia in the first place.


Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 06-Sep-2006 at 18:27
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival


     But honestly, I still don't know what right Azerbaijan had to annex the lands from Armenia in the first place.


Inability to understand and refusal to understand are two entirely different things.

 For those unable to understand a pursuit of a discusion may be a worthwhile exercise, for those who refuse to understand, it is simply a waste of time.

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Originally posted by bg_Turk

For those unable to understand a pursuit of a discusion may be a worthwhile exercise, for those who refuse to understand, it is simply a waste of time.


I am assuming that applies to you too...right?
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Posts: 1914 		  Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2006 at 13:17
Originally posted by mamikon

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you mean a minority?

Nope, read some books....



 
You told that Tbilisi had a major Armenian population...And Bashibozuk asked if you meant a "majority" out there...For it to be a majority, there shall be more Armenians than any other folk out in Tbilisi...Georgians are the "majority" out there...And the folks with populations less than Georgians+less than half out there are in status of "minority", so I don't see any wrong when I say "minority" and also don't see why you are blatant out there.
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When I say major I meant majority as I said a post back...as in, the majority in that population was Armenian.

In fact during the Paris Peace conference of 1919, it was proposed that the capital of the "Greater Armenia" be Tbilisi. Greater Armenia in turn was proposed by some Armenians and backed by the French, where the lands given to Armenia would include those given to Armenia in the treaty of Sevres which ocurred in 1920 and also the province of Cilicia and a patch of land adjoining those two lands.

However, it should be stressed that there was no formal Armenian delegation to the Treaty of Paris.


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Posts: 1914 		  Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2006 at 16:26
Originally posted by mamikon

When I say major I meant majority as I said a post back...as in, the majority in that population was Armenian.
 
In Tbilisi?Majority Armenians?Huh...Confused
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yes, after WWI
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There are many Armenians in Tbilisi approximately 4%, in addition more than 3% has changed their surename into georgian surenames but its stupidity claim they're majority, even when armenian army in 1918 entered Georgia to capture tbilisi, those armenians living in tbilisi fought shoulder by shoulder with georgians to defeat invaders and we were victorious.
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Do you want my source?
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Not every source is true, especially if the claim is unrealistic.
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whats so unrealistic about it? why dont you explain it to us?
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Posts: 1914 		  Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2006 at 13:02
Originally posted by mamikon

whats so unrealistic about it? why dont you explain it to us?
 
You are claiming more than %50 Armenian population in Tbilisi by 1918...Where they all had gone by now,then?
 
I have never heard of such a thing, I bet the Georgians haven't,too..
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Originally posted by mamikon

and also the province of Cilicia
 
No. Cilician region was invaded by the French after WWI, and Sykes-Picott made most of East-Central and southern Turkey part of French controlled area. Altough many Armenians of the surrounding regions were settled in the region by the French, Armenians have never became a majority in the region.
 
BTW Tbilisi was a city of Georgian majority by 1918, with significant Armenian and Muslim (Turks, Circassians, others) minorities.


Edited by Bashibozuk - 13-Sep-2006 at 16:22
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