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    Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 09:50
what do you know about the turco-persian empire?
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  Quote Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 12:46
That's a really vague question. There were several Turco-Persian Empires. The Ghaznavids were Turco-Persian. The Seljuk Empire too was Turco-Persian to an extent. The Khwarezmids are theorized to be Turco-Persian. There is the Ilkhanate and the Timurids. There are several others that were Turco-Persian, which one are you speaking of?
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 15:07
Not one in particular.
 
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  Quote Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 15:25
For most of these, the ruling class was Turkic while the soldiers were Persian. The Persians were regarded as good soldiers and in the first couple of centuries of Islamic expansion, a large part of the soldiers were Persian. The Samanids were the first native Persian dynasty after Arab domination but were subjugated by Turkic peoples. It wasn't until the Safavids that native Persian rule returned.
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 15:29
Thats weird when I looked in wikipedia it was the other way??
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  Quote Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 16:21
I don't trust wikipedia at all.

The Turkic peoples invaded the area and became the ruling class. The Persians were the majority so it would make sense for them to be the soldier class.
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  Quote bleda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 18:08
Originally posted by Belisarius

That's a really vague question. There were several Turco-Persian
Empires. The Ghaznavids were Turco-Persian. The Seljuk Empire too was
Turco-Persian to an extent. The Khwarezmids are theorized to be
Turco-Persian. There is the Ilkhanate and the Timurids. There are
several others that were Turco-Persian, which one are you speaking of?

babur maybe turco=persian but seljuks ,timurid pure turkish empires
    
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  Quote Belisarius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2006 at 22:09
What is meant by a "Turco-Persian Empire" is a Turkic ruling class and Persian subjects. Turkic peoples never supplanted the Persians in Iran. Babur was of actual Turco-Persian descent but he ruled over the people of the Indian subcontinent. 
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2006 at 13:43
If the Turks conquerd persia they needed to have a superior milltary.
So they would be the warriors and the paperwork was done by the persians.
Turks aren't know for there paperwork are they?
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