Seyyeds of Turkey

Talib is the son of Abu Talib, azimuth.  You need to do some reading.

As for the Hashemites, the Sunni ones are from Hijaz + Iran.  And yes, the ones from Persia were returning migrants.  Hijazis, however, have always been here.  The late King Hussein of Jordan is a Hijazi Hashemite, so are most of the Hashemites in the UAE.  I know quite a number of them come from Iran as well.  Their looks reveal that.

No, his name is not al-Sayyid.  His name is Mohammed.  In Jordan, women carry the title "Sharifa."  They don't apply that here in the UAE.  So my grandmother doesn't carry a title, but she's automatically "bint el-Sayyid Ahmed," if you know what I mean.

Most of them use the title, even the ones who are as young as 20.  They don't use that informally, but it's always there on official papers.  My 20 year old cousin is al-Sayyid Abdullah, for instance.

I don't think it conveys any special meaning.  As said, it is an honorific title and shouldn't be used/abused for personal gains.  It doesn't make one a better person or deservant of a big position. 

One of the things I noticed during taraweeh in Ramadan is that they'll have water cups distributed in the mosque before, during and after prayers.  My grandmother refuses to drink the water no matter how thirsty she is, because according to Hashemite protocol, "la tajooz al sadaqah 3alayhim."  That's the only 'different' thing I've seen the Hashemites do.

Salaamz �ok ge�,

Some of those who call themselves Sayyids are not Hashemites, or at least don't carry that last name.  The ones who carry the last name in the UAE are all Sunnis.

There's no reason but to honor and pay respect to those descendant from the Prophet's (peace be upon Him) tribe and family.  I don't see why not.

That will require a "Bayt Maal" for the Muslims to fulfill that, which we don't have these days.  Such monetary amounts are also deducted from the spoils of war.  Do we have such wars nowadays?

hehe If I decide to become tiran at some muslim country, I will decleare myself as seyit too.

By the way, there are turkish, kurdish and arabish seyit in Turkey. Marriage and asimilation changed their ethnics.

But well I think at least 90% of them is fake.

AsalamuAleykum,

Firstly i would like to thank you all for such an informative debate. I have found it very interesting. Jazakallah Kheyr/Jazaki

Although i would like to make the point for all non-Muslims that this whole title thing is un-Islamic and is more cultural more than anything else.

WassalamuAleykum,

OSMANLI

Salaamz �ok ge�,

You're absolutely right.  I just need to clarify that I'm not justifying their having any titles (although I don't see why not); I was simply offering an explanation.  In an earlier response, I posted this ayyah, which more or less supports your statement - which really means we're in total agreement regarding this - :

"And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." [2:124]

My point is, I don't see why they can't carry harmless titles that give them no privileges or status above others.  If they can't earn respect, they can at least inherit the title as a 'secular' one, just like the English "Sir," and "Lord," you know?

Most of the existing Hashemites - including those who claim to be - are pretty well-off financially, so the hukm regarding the zakaah, I would assume, becomes void.  Besides, there's no government entity that gives out zakaah to the poor anymore.