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    Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 19:24
Originally posted by OSMANLI

"I don't believe either, everyone knows Mohammad had no offsprings. His children died all in their childhood."

So who did the Caliph Ali marry?

Well i won't claim this, you muslims do: the blood of man won't be given by a woman.
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"I don't believe either, everyone knows Mohammad had no offsprings. His children died all in their childhood."

So who did the Caliph Ali marry?

"How a can Turk be descendant of Muhammed? "

Ones ancestors can be of diffrent nation, surely Turks of all races should know that.

Ofcourse there are Seyyids out there in various countries. However i do agree with the point that the can be many false claims out there.
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Originally posted by Mira

Maziar,

Being a Seyyid does not mean a person is a descendant of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon Him).  It means the person is a Hashemite, only.

Well i don't know, all seyyeds i know claim they are direct descandants of Mohammad.

And do you think hashemis had so much offsprings streched in the whole world? were the Hashemis supermen?



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Not possible in Turkey, since nobody knows his/her relatives from even 150 years before.

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Originally posted by DayI

Originally posted by barish

How a can Turk be descendant of Muhammed?
Turk as citizen of Turkey

I don't see that happening in that way either.
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Maziar,

Being a Seyyid does not mean a person is a descendant of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon Him).  It means the person is a Hashemite, only.
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How could there be a Seyyed, if Mohammad had no offsprings?
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well  i know there is a seyid in Menzil/Adiyaman  Turkey. His name is Abdulhekim
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Lol, some of the statements made above are quite funny, coming from people I thought would have some common sense, if not knowledge about the matter.

Being a Hashemite does not necessarily mean one is a direct descendant of the Prophet (peace be upon Him), but someone from the same tribe; banu (bani) Hashim (sons of Hashim).

Fizzil, I thought you, at least, would know this much.
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it is pure BS, people who say it do so for prestige, we have so many seyyeds in Iran, it beggars belief. every other mullah thinks he is muhamad or the mahdi.
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Originally posted by Fizzil

I don't believe in these decendants, i seen alot of seyyids in europe (london, germany, sweden) wherever i went there is this arab/turk/whathaveyou who says "Hey i'm a seyyid!"

Even Jordan, the Hashemites claim they descended from the prophet for legitimacy to rule reasons, but there is no solid evidence.

I don't believe either, everyone knows Mohammad had no offsprings. His children died all in their childhood.
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Originally posted by barish

How a can Turk be descendant of Muhammed?
Turk as citizen of Turkey
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How a can Turk be descendant of Muhammed?
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I don't believe in these decendants, i seen alot of seyyids in europe (london, germany, sweden) wherever i went there is this arab/turk/whathaveyou who says "Hey i'm a seyyid!"

Even Jordan, the Hashemites claim they descended from the prophet for legitimacy to rule reasons, but there is no solid evidence.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2006 at 20:49
I wonder are there still seyyids ( the decendants of the prophet Muhammad) exist in Turkey. I know they are still in good standing in Jordan but not so in Saudi. How about Turkey after Ataturk came to power? Did they just disappear or immigrate or what?

Does anyone knows?

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