Seyyeds of Turkey

I don't understand why it is that important. Being a descendant of a prophet?

look at the title for this topic.. i dont understand much wht u guys were saying ... lol...

Seyyed.. Sayyid..Seyed... looks like have different ways of spelling and  who this people are actually?

In malaysia... we have some people name "Syed"

I wonder this name is having connection with wht u guys are talking here...
For anyone whose father names is Syed... the son will carry the name also.. for daughter.. Sharifah...

Example:
Syed Indra B. Syed Omar
Sharifah Shakirah Bt. Syed Omar

and i guess.. they are all Sunni...

Just wondering....

Originally posted by Mira Isn't Khadim al-Haramayn an inherited title?  Why make distinction between this and the title of Sayyid, and justify the first but not the latter?

I didnt see anyone who justify Khadem Al Haramayn title. But anyhow, It is not an inherited title by birth as Sayyid.  It is a position title as King, Minister, Vasir, or whatever. Notice only the King can be named Khadem Al Haramayn when he reaches the crown. He cannot get that title by birth, in contrast to Sayyid.  The title as old as the Abbasyd caliphs assumed. The distinction between Khadem Al Haramayn title and Sayyid application can be summerized in two points:

1- Khadem Al Haramayn is earned when the position is reached (to be the king of who is protecting the two holy mosques) in contrast to Sayyid which it is inherited by birth.

2- Khadem Al Haramayn title means custodian of the two holy mosques and and can be attained by any who assume this position regardless of bloodline. Whereas Sayyid is a bloodline title and totally exclusive.

Some people say Khadem Al Haramayn is a title that suppose to de-glorify the King, since it is literally translated as "servant=Khadem", and it serves a reminder of the position and obligation of the king. Al Sayyid title serves only one purpse. You yourself summerized it as:

Originally posted by Mira My point is, I don't see why they can't carry harmless titles that give them no privileges or status above others.  If they can't earn respect, they can at least inherit the title as a 'secular' one, just like the English "Sir," and "Lord," you know?

Well any title is harmless, either King, Khadem Al Haramayn, Sir, Sayyid. However what is the essense of assuming that title? To point out the descendancy of the prophet. Can you guess why do I need to know that you are a descendant of the prophet? Unless Im suppose to react different to the Sayyid title, there is no point of telling me your blood lineage without asking.

If it is up to me, any title that is exclusive and points out to bloodline lineage is only aimed to extend proudness of that lineage. Something we call in Arabic "Tafakher Bel Ansab" "����� ��������" and this is definitely at least discourged in Islam. The title is harmless? well maybe for you but in many parts of the world,  people are expected to react different to the title and they glorify the holder of that title just by default. So definitely it serves a purpse either way.

 

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Correct me if iam wrong but isnt the wearing of black attire a Shi'a custom

Originally posted by Mira I don't know if wearing colored-turbans is imporant, but with respect to your father's astonishment at seeing people wearing black; I think I must tell you, we, women of Arabia, wear black all the time, in all seasons, and it's perfectly OK.

Isnt it warmer in a black cloth under sun then white? You should try it, see the difference

is wearing kind of color important?

I mean my father found it crazy when he whas in hajj 2 years ago, that Iranians and iraqi hajji's weared black clothes under 45�C!

Originally posted by Mira Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter Originally posted by Arpad just a question, do most Seyed's wear the green turban? And also i met A Seyed from Iraq once, he was a beutiful man, his character was so charming and intelligent. He was a great man i must say, and even when he spoke it made me feel he is soo intelligent. Very polite man indeed, and if your asking about the Validity of people claiming they are Seyed,, then i would put this guy into those being decendant. Actually Arpad they wear black turban,Green is the symbolic and flag's colour for Alawis. Some Sunni Sayyids wear green turbans, especially in Turkey.

Right Mira,but I meant Seyyids in Iraq,all of them wearin black turban.

You need to be sure, azimuth.  Either it was or it wasn't.  And assuming it was used by an Abbassid Caliph, just for the sake of the argument, does that give it any legitimacy?  The Caliphates, after the four righteous Caliphs, can all be looked at as a distortion of the Islamic political system that is based on Shura, not absolute monarchy.

Either we accept and use all religious titles or none.

I just remembered something:

Isn't Khadim al-Haramayn an inherited title?  Why make distinction between this and the title of Sayyid, and justify the first but not the latter?

Originally posted by Arpad just a question, do most Seyed's wear the green turban? And also i met A Seyed from Iraq once, he was a beutiful man, his character was so charming and intelligent. He was a great man i must say, and even when he spoke it made me feel he is soo intelligent. Very polite man indeed, and if your asking about the Validity of people claiming they are Seyed,, then i would put this guy into those being decendant.

Actually Arpad they wear black turban,Green is the symbolic and flag's colour for Alawis.