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Topic: Turkish Professor: Muslims Discovered Ame Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:01 |
Turkish Professor: Muslims Discovered America!
Presenting some documents, founder
of the Institute for History of Arabic-Islamic Science argued that
Turkish Muslims discovered America before others. Tehran, 9 February 2006, (CHN) --
In his commemoration ceremony which was held at the Association of
Written Heritage office in Tehran this week, Professor Fuat Sezgin,
founder and chairman of the Institute for the History of Arabic-Islamic
Science, presented some documents regarding the discovery of America by
the Turkish Muslims.
Presenting a map which he called Piri
Reis, the 82 year old Turkish Islamic scholar said, There is a map
belonging to the 16th Century AD showing the journey of the first
people who discovered America which the Chinese and Portuguese claim to
be theirs, while due to some reasoning, this map does not belong to
them. It was Piri Reis, a Turkish Muslim admiral who noticed for the
first time the existence of a region in the west of Africa which was
later called America.
Some foreign and domestic scholars in
historical and Islamic sciences attended the meeting which was held to
honor Sezgins different and abundant researches in the fields of
Islamic sciences and the history of sciences.
Praising the
Turkish scholars worldwide contributions, Akbar Irani, managing
director of Association of Written Heritage said, One of the most
important accomplishments of Professor Sezgin is printing over 80
volumes of significant and old Islamic texts which have played key
roles in bringing to the surface the glory of Islamic sciences all
around the world.
Sezgin was born in Turkey in 1924 and
graduated from the University of Istanbul in Islamic Sciences &
Iranian Studies in 1954.
In the year 1956 he set off for Germany
where he founded the Institute for the History of Arabic-Islamic
Science, affiliated with the University of Frankfurt. Fuat Sezgin has
published about 750 books by now.
http://www.chn.ir/en/news/?section=1&id=1543
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:05 |
First we get Europeans saying they discovered it, then CHINESE, now the freakin Turks discovered it???
Hello!?!?!?! the native americans were there first. It was not really discovered, because there were people already living there!!!!
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:08 |
What, does this guy think he has discovered something new in the Piri Reis map? There is a good deal of scholarly literature covering the map and its possibilities, but I have never heard it put forward that what Reis thought was Africa was actually the Americas!
One of my side interests is Ottoman perceptions of the New World. As far as I can tell from what I have studied, there were not many Ottomans (or Muslims, for that matter) who came to the New World in the early period of discoveries, 15th-17th centuries. I really don't think there were any official Ottoman expeditions to the New World; they concentrated mostly on Eastern Africa and the Indian Ocean for their explorations.
Of the primary source accounts that we have, in which Ottomans discuss the New World, most are copies and borrowings from European accounts. However, I am always open to finding new mentionings, and according to scholars, there are some original first-hand accounts of the New World written by Ottomans.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:08 |
Please, this is nationalist hogwash. It is a well known fact that the Piri Reis map was made using Portuguese and Spanish maps. It was simply a copy of European knowledge. There is no proof whatsoever that any muslim ships reached America before 1492. The only people for which there is evidence that they got to America during the last few thousand years before Columbus are the Norsemen ("Vikings").
The true "discoverers" of the Americas are the native people anyway.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:17 |
What a waste of time: Piri Reis map is well known, it is as commented a
16th century map and it is known to have been reconstructed out from
other maps, that the famous Turk admiral captured to Christian vessels
most likely.
The map depicts the coasts of South America (particularly Brazil) and
the Caribbean without a clear concordance. For 1513, the date normally
attributed to the Piris Reis map, the Spaniards (Colombus and others)
had throughty explored the Caribean Sea and Amergo Vespucci had doen
the same with Brazil for the Portuguese crown. It is precisely the
works of these explorers and nothing else what is in Piri Reis map,
which is no doubt an excellent work of military inteligence.
In fact the map seems to depict very exactly what Colombus and Vespucci had discovered - and nothing else
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:46 |
Originally posted by Decebal
Please, this is nationalist hogwash. The
only people for which there is evidence that they got to America during
the last few thousand years before Columbus are the Norsemen
("Vikings").
The true "discoverers" of the Americas are the native people anyway. |
I'm not very neutral in this point , and if someone wants ,
i will write down the story of life eriksson ,who travelled with his
men and women from europe to america and made first contact with the
native americans.not very enjoyable for them (the vikings) !!!
so please , read books from thor heyerdahl or something else but don't listen to this rubbish.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 13:28 |
I hereby proudly claim that the German people did not undertake the first European exploration (or discovery) of the American continent, did not participate in its initial colonialisation and therefore not be held responsible for any subsequent events.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 13:49 |
This is as stupid as it sounds.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 13:59 |
Plato discovered America, he called it: Atlantis.
Well, actually, it was a prophetic view, soon the USA will be crushed by a giant asteroid falling from the sky in the supervolcano of yellowstone.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 14:03 |
I claim Iranians discovered Amerika first
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 14:30 |
This is an anti-Turkish propaganda.
We do know from Piri Reis's memoirs that he had never been to America,
and his well-known map is a copy of spanish-Portuguese maps!!
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 14:52 |
Na I think it is just trumpeting Islamo chauvinism.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 15:05 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
First we get Europeans saying they discovered it, then CHINESE, now the freakin Turks discovered it???
Hello!?!?!?! the native americans were there first. It was not really discovered, because there were people already living there!!!!
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 17:44 |
Originally posted by Komnenos
I hereby proudly claim that the German people did not
undertake the first European exploration (or discovery) of the American
continent, did not participate in its initial colonialisation and
therefore not be held responsible for any subsequent events. |
wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didrik_Pining
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 18:08 |
Of course, we are chinoportuguese, put a Madeira's wine and a Panda in
the shield of the spanish flag, and you will see the new spanish flag.
the meeting which was held to
honor Sezgins different and abundant researches in the fields of
Islamic sciences and the history of sciences.
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where he founded the Institute for the History of Arabic-Islamic
Science, affiliated with the University of Frankfurt
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Fuat Sezgin has
published about 750 books by now. |
If this is true, i recommend revise his works, don't lost the money in
his books, and send a letter to the Frankfurt University advasing their
that this man is mad.
The nationalism...
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:19 |
I've read books about how Phonecians circumnavigated Africa and reached America... all sorts of possible stories. I had a look on that map on some book I've encountered in a library, and it showed a bare coutour of Brazil and the Carribean, as well as what the book labeled "unfrozen Antarctica." Fascinating stuff indeed.
First we get Europeans saying they discovered it, then CHINESE, now the freakin Turks discovered it???
Hello!?!?!?! the native americans were there first. It was not really discovered, because there were people already living there!!!!
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Hello?!?!?! You were supposed to have discovered the "Pacific Ocean," and named it "pacific!" You shouldn't be complainng!
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:28 |
The Vikings actually discovered it. The Chinese and Turks certainly did not.
The 'natives' simply walked there across Siberia so they also could be said to have discovered it.
Actually, the 'natives' may have killed off an original people (kennewickman)
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 01:51 |
here wikipedia is wrong again. not didrich pining discovered america, but thorleif eriksson did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah , i think some lessons in history would be good for some fellows.
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 02:52 |
They did? I find that rather ironic, because we have evidence of Nordic settlements in North America around 1000 AD. Whereas this 'news' would place the Muslim Turks at around 1500 AD. Funny, but, last I checked, he's wrong.
There's a difference between 'discovery' and 'useful discovery.' Finding out that orange and red are two different colors doesn't do much good in unto itself. When you start combining that knowledge with other things, like incorporating both orange and red into new designs or colors, you really get rolling.
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