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    Posted: 03-Sep-2006 at 02:58

I think all massacres is the final result of the load of the community.It s leaking inside the society and explode suddenly.

Rwanda Hutu-Tutsi problem.One tripe is minority but have more power than the rest of the majority.after some reasons majority killed the minority.or after that minorty killed majority.
 
Because of the  people who doesnt know any idea about the region(French and Belgians) or for their benefit they ve dived the country and people bacame anmy.
 
Before french hand touch they werent kill each other.
 
Same has happened in Ottoman Empire.We were living with peace with greeks,armenians and serbians,bulgarians.
 
But Russians started a problem in the orthodox people (Bulgarians,Serbians,Greeks)and those people wanted the freedom.
 
Freedom brougth blood and tears to this lands but Russia become more rich and great country.
 
Greece became free after them all the others wanted same independence.They ve got all independence but this was the game of the other countries.
 
For more money dived a country (Ottoman Empire) but it brougth money for westerns but massacres or sadness for locals.
 
 
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lol, no point for me to argue anything...not that it is allowed on this forum

but according to your logic, on average, every 20 years, 1,000,000 Turks were massacred?
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Originally posted by mamikon

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I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.


Let me guess, McCarthy and Kemal Karpat again?


Justin McCarthy, Kemal Karpat, Dennis Hupchik, Robert Olson, Ali Eminov, Heath Lowry are the first that spring to mind
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Originally posted by bg_turk


I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.


Let me guess, McCarthy and Kemal Karpat again?
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Originally posted by Red4tribe

The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.


More Vietnamese and Cambodians died under American airpower, firebombs and poisonous defoliants during the Vietnam war than did Armenians under the Turkish sabre in WW1. The Armenian massacres may have been a dark chapter in Ottoman history, but they were not the worst nor the first in World history.
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The worst Genocide is ongoing. People are still being killed in Darfur and are still dying from starvation and exposure.
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Originally posted by mamikon


both of those claims have been disproven over and over in various AE threads regarding the Armenian Genocide


Would you care to point to any of those threads where the figures have been as you claim "disproven"?

I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.

I am growing increasingly exacerbated at your cynical Armeniocentric worldview, and your apparent insistance that only Armenian suffering merits considerations and the title of a Genocide, whereas the Turkish dead must be forgotten and ignored.


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I find it hard to messure any massacre.
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I found this list of massacres on wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres

Maybe it can be useful to some?
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Well i suppose you could get a 'massacre index no.' Numbers dead divided by time taken in days (in case of years use 365). inaccurate but still an effective rank.

however its still pretty gruseome to compare massacres and rank them....
i mean nome were particualrly fun to be part of.....
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Originally posted by Pacifist

Well, the Armenian massacres are a dark page in our history.
 
The Armenians also massacred and raped hundreds of thousands of Muslim Turks, Tatars, and Kurds following the demise of the Ottoman Empire.
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Originally posted by ATLAS

The largest genocide I know is:

 Before Mongolia invaded China, the population of China was 60Million, 164 yrs later when Mongolia was banished from China, China only has 15million ppl. As a revenge, the Chinese army killed as much as Mongolia as they could. Thus, inside the Great Wall there is no Mongolia.

 
Mongolia proper (or the nation of Mongolia) has a population of 2.5 million.
 
Inner Mongolia (which is a part of the People's Republic of China) has a population of 7.5 million Mongols.
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We are not supposed to discuss this...but your source of the 700,000 is..? (McCarthy I am sure)

as well as the 5 million...

both of those claims have been disproven over and over in various AE threads regarding the Armenian Genocide


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Turk massacre in the Balkans. More than 5 million Turks have been killed by the help of Russians, French and Britons by Serbs, Greeks and Bulgars in the second half of the 19th century until 1910.

In WW1, Armenians, by the help of Russian army, massacred around 700.000 Turks in East Anatolia.
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I think nobody has said the Indian genocide by USA.
And St. Bartolomew's day massacre.
And the massacres made by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
And inquisition masacres (in Spain, but also in Portugal, Italy or France) and other religious persecutions like in England by Richard I or Elizabeth I.
I'm sorry but my English is not very good. I'm from Vila-real (Valencia, Spain)
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The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.
 
There have been many other terrible massacres in this recent period in history! The Hutsis and Tutsis in Rwanda, The Tianamen square massacre. The Armenian massacres and the holocaust are by no means the only terrible massacres (well, the Holocaust was definatly the worst) The 20th/21st century has been the most violent century EVER
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Well, the Armenian massacres are a dark page in our history.

Edited by Pacifist - 04-Aug-2006 at 11:31


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Originally posted by mamikon


Isnt there a large Circassian population in Abkhazia?

there is also a Russian province now; Karachay-Cherkessia

are the cherkhez peope living here different from Circassians of 200 years ago?
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    Most Circassians 4-7 milion estimated live in Turkey and i am one of the Circassians who lives in Turkey so our Circassian language is little bit changed than in Caucasus but most are the same
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    The name Circassian is given by outsiders i am not sure but i think Araps gave the name Circassians to Adige-Abhaz tribes and its diffrent than Armenian language and culture, but our culture is similair with the Goergian culture
here a link of a Caucasus map you can see the diffrent tribes http://linguarium.iling-ran.ru/maps/4-circ1860.gif
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The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.
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