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Topic: Worst/Horrible Massacres...
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Worst/Horrible Massacres...
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 06:25
Which by far is the worst and horrible massacres that ever took place....

I believe none can surpass the Japanese aggression in Nanking. Such a short time and with such ruthless results. I guess in six weeks you had 3,00,000 lakh deaths many of them women and children....
The method of killing was equally gruesome: Rape, bayonet, Hanging, burning....

I might have voted for Holocaust but it happened over a longer period...




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Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 06:50

The slaughter in Rwanda was pretty damn hardcore... it went unnoticed for quite some time because nobody cares if a bunch of Aficans are getting killed, raped and dismembered with machetes.

"Totaling up the dead in Africa's wars has always been particularly challenging, from the mass killing in Rwanda (in which somewhere around 800,000 people died) to the continuing war in Congo (where the toll is now estimated to be in the neighborhood of 3.8 million)"

http://www.cij.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewNews&newsID=14 - http://www.cij.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewNews&newsID= 14

Good atricle. Read it if you have the time (and intrest).

Cheers.



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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 08:54

Originally posted by hexed

Which by far is the worst and horrible massacres that ever took place....

I believe none can surpass the Japanese aggression in Nanking. Such a short time and with such ruthless results. I guess in six weeks you had 3,00,000 lakh deaths many of them women and children....
The method of killing was equally gruesome: Rape, bayonet, Hanging, burning....

I might have voted for Holocaust but it happened over a longer period...

That's what came to my mind too. Unfortunately this massacre is still not as known to many people as it should be.



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Posted By: Jay.
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 10:44
I would say the Armenian massacre/genocide...Over 1million died, men, woman, and children.

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Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 11:19

Rather difficult to decide, isn't it? The Holocaust for the methodical way in which it was conducted, the Rwandan genocide for the sheer brutality (800,000 people killed in a few weeks with machetes!) are modern examples. The killing fields in Cambodia for the way the victims were picked...

But what about older ones: say the methods of Tamerlane or Genghis Khan, where they would slaughter all the inhabitants of a city and build pyramids with their severed heads?

Or the indirect massacres through starvation, exposure or disease? Are they to be considered? In that case, what about the millions of Ukrainians dying under Stalin, the millions of Chinese dying under Mao, or the millions of Native Americans dying of disease, starvation, and direct murder by the Spanish and Americans?


Let's face it: the whole discussion is pointless. They are all bad, and comparisons between them are grotesque. The only way that we should discuss about them is as a reminder of what humanity is capable of at its worst.



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Posted By: Pezhetairoi
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 11:33

Nanking...just for sheer brutality



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Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 12:15
Nanking to me indeed.

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Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 13:12

let's put things into perspective...

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm - http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm



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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 20:43
     You also have to take into account how the people died.  Even though massacre is massacre, I'd rather be shot in the head than be tortored, cooked, marched to death, starved or raped. I think the methods used and the pain felt until death can make something as bad as massacre even worse. But thats just me.

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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:14
I think AE has enough of those "what is the best &&&" threads, including those "what was the worst holocaust," occasionally with some spelling mistakes.   Say that the massacre of ants in my dormitory was unjustifiable.  Okay- so what?  Is this opening to some kind of debate, argument, historical fact....no!

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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 10:31

 I think any Massacre is horrible and abusive,it takes the most expensive thing on earth(people lives).

I beleive there is no worse than, all of it are horrible.



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Posted By: Jay.
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 12:58

I absolutly agree with Ahmed.



Posted By: BigL
Date Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 20:03

Mongol sack of bagdhad masscre 1 million arabs second to nanjing



Posted By: Theophos
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 07:35
Any massacre is horrible. No need to rank them.

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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 08:00
Originally posted by BigL

Mongol sack of bagdhad masscre 1 million arabs second to nanjing

It is estimated statistic not confirmed.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 03:28
Massacre after sack of Jerusalem was also particularily brutal....

Yess Rwanda seems to be overlooked....


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 03:32
Originally posted by demon

I think AE has enough of those "what is the best &&&" threads, including those "what was the worst holocaust," occasionally with some spelling mistakes.   Say that the massacre of ants in my dormitory was unjustifiable.  Okay- so what?  Is this opening to some kind of debate, argument, historical fact....no!


Dear friend noone here is trying to justify the massacres...
the main aim of History is to learn from its past miatakes...
Even if a majority of people here learn about it it will do good for mankind....
For example in Japan people still do not believe in Nanking massacres...which is atrocious....least people can do is acknowledge mistakes...
Same is the case with Armenian massacres.... Bangladeshi massacres etc...


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Posted By: Nart_Saga
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2006 at 15:47
Nanking but some other ugly ones close by...     


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2006 at 22:04

The largest genocide I know is:

 Before Mongolia invaded China, the population of China was 60Million, 164 yrs later when Mongolia was banished from China, China only has 15million ppl. As a revenge, the Chinese army killed as much as Mongolia as they could. Thus, inside the Great Wall there is no Mongolia.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 04:32

Originally posted by hexed

Originally posted by demon

I think AE has enough of those "what is the best &&&" threads, including those "what was the worst holocaust," occasionally with some spelling mistakes.   Say that the massacre of ants in my dormitory was unjustifiable.  Okay- so what?  Is this opening to some kind of debate, argument, historical fact....no!


Dear friend noone here is trying to justify the massacres...
the main aim of History is to learn from its past miatakes...
Even if a majority of people here learn about it it will do good for mankind....
For example in Japan people still do not believe in Nanking massacres...which is atrocious....least people can do is acknowledge mistakes...

 

Im sorry but I joined this forum for the sheer sake of correcting this horrendously ignorant statement.

The majority of Japanese people do acknowledge that our nation did do horrible things throughout Asia, and although there are some old relics of politicians from the Imperialist Age who dont recognize Nanking, we learn about it in school, it is on our tests, and it is frequently refered to on the news.

I learnt of Nanking at Cram school when I was 9. The date later came up as a question in my Middle School entry exam, and as a midterm to a test in the 3rd year.

The so called text books that doesnt recongize Nanking is used only in 9 or so private schools. And we learn of it through our parents and etc. anyways.

Japan has apologized for it's crimes, we have sent much money to the Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, and countless others nations which we destroyed because we know that we did something horrible to them. I understand that we can never make up for the horrendous crimes we did with words and money, but you cannot deny that the majority of us do not feel shame.

And yet every foreign country I go to keeps on the image of Japan being the horrible imperialist/nationalist country that never apologized for it's sins and is planning to strike back. We have spent the last 6 decades rebuilding our nation peacefully, forsaking aggressive war forever and limiting the size of whatever defensive forces we may have, and doing in short, nothing nationalist or imperialistic that any other nation hasnt done.

If you think that being the decendants to the people who were actually raped and killed is bad, what of us? We have never done anything in our lives, yet we have to be not only shamed because of the actions of our forefathers, but everyone else keeps using those things against us as an argument to whatever we do. It is clear that in 1945 the victims was China and the aggressor was Japan, but what of now?



Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 13:18
Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter

 I think any Massacre is horrible and abusive,it takes the most expensive thing on earth(people lives).

I beleive there is no worse than, all of it are horrible.

 

I agree. 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 03:36
Hello all i am new here so this will be mine first post, for meis the Circassian genocide the worst not becouse i am a Circassian but we suffered alot and still we suffering our language is dieing and the whole world doing nothing ignoring us if you guys are interested in Circassian history i am glad to answer you all i know and i invite you also to my forum for answers and questions about Circassians
www.cerkezistan.com

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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 11:02

Well, Amritsar was certainly appalling- 1919, Brigadier-General Rex Dyer- what a monster.

Then of course there were the Armenian Massacres and the Syraic genocides by the Ottoman empire near and in the first world war

Oh, also Cale, forgive my Ignorance, but is Circassian similar to Armenian or in a different language group?


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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 14:04
Isnt there a large Circassian population in Abkhazia?

there is also a Russian province now; Karachay-Cherkessia

are the cherkhez peope living here different from Circassians of 200 years ago?



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Posted By: Pharoah Fred
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 14:11
Whenever I think of the word "Massacre", My Lai comes to mind. Terrible, and the pictures are horrible too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre


Posted By: Red4tribe
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 21:09
The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:12
    The name Circassian is given by outsiders i am not sure but i think Araps gave the name Circassians to Adige-Abhaz tribes and its diffrent than Armenian language and culture, but our culture is similair with the Goergian culture
here a link of a Caucasus map you can see the diffrent tribes http://linguarium.iling-ran.ru/maps/4-circ1860.gif - http://linguarium.iling-ran.ru/maps/4-circ1860.gif

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:19
Originally posted by mamikon


Isnt there a large Circassian population in Abkhazia?

there is also a Russian province now; Karachay-Cherkessia

are the cherkhez peope living here different from Circassians of 200 years ago?
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    Most Circassians 4-7 milion estimated live in Turkey and i am one of the Circassians who lives in Turkey so our Circassian language is little bit changed than in Caucasus but most are the same

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Posted By: Pacifist
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 11:30
Well, the Armenian massacres are a dark page in our history.

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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 05:31
The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.
 
There have been many other terrible massacres in this recent period in history! The Hutsis and Tutsis in Rwanda, The Tianamen square massacre. The Armenian massacres and the holocaust are by no means the only terrible massacres (well, the Holocaust was definatly the worst) The 20th/21st century has been the most violent century EVER


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Posted By: Barbarroja
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2006 at 05:25
I think nobody has said the Indian genocide by USA.
And St. Bartolomew's day massacre.
And the massacres made by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
And inquisition masacres (in Spain, but also in Portugal, Italy or France) and other religious persecutions like in England by Richard I or Elizabeth I.


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Posted By: Alparslan
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2006 at 07:52

Turk massacre in the Balkans. More than 5 million Turks have been killed by the help of Russians, French and Britons by Serbs, Greeks and Bulgars in the second half of the 19th century until 1910.

In WW1, Armenians, by the help of Russian army, massacred around 700.000 Turks in East Anatolia.


Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2006 at 09:52
We are not supposed to discuss this...but your source of the 700,000 is..? (McCarthy I am sure)

as well as the 5 million...

both of those claims have been disproven over and over in various AE threads regarding the Armenian Genocide


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Posted By: Master_Blaster
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2006 at 16:03
Originally posted by ATLAS

The largest genocide I know is:

 Before Mongolia invaded China, the population of China was 60Million, 164 yrs later when Mongolia was banished from China, China only has 15million ppl. As a revenge, the Chinese army killed as much as Mongolia as they could. Thus, inside the Great Wall there is no Mongolia.

 
Mongolia proper (or the nation of Mongolia) has a population of 2.5 million.
 
Inner Mongolia (which is a part of the People's Republic of China) has a population of 7.5 million Mongols.


Posted By: Master_Blaster
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2006 at 16:06
Originally posted by Pacifist

Well, the Armenian massacres are a dark page in our history.
 
The Armenians also massacred and raped hundreds of thousands of Muslim Turks, Tatars, and Kurds following the demise of the Ottoman Empire.


Posted By: craig.melson
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2006 at 16:20
Well i suppose you could get a 'massacre index no.' Numbers dead divided by time taken in days (in case of years use 365). inaccurate but still an effective rank.

however its still pretty gruseome to compare massacres and rank them....
i mean nome were particualrly fun to be part of.....


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Posted By: Jay.
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2006 at 17:05
I found this list of massacres on wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres

Maybe it can be useful to some?


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Posted By: Jeru
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2006 at 23:34
I find it hard to messure any massacre.


Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 00:46
Originally posted by mamikon


both of those claims have been disproven over and over in various AE threads regarding the Armenian Genocide


Would you care to point to any of those threads where the figures have been as you claim "disproven"?

I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.

I am growing increasingly exacerbated at your cynical Armeniocentric worldview, and your apparent insistance that only Armenian suffering merits considerations and the title of a Genocide, whereas the Turkish dead must be forgotten and ignored.


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Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 00:51
The worst Genocide is ongoing. People are still being killed in Darfur and are still dying from starvation and exposure.


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Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 01:05
Originally posted by Red4tribe

The 2 worst recent history massacares are the holocost and the Armenian Genocide.Ancient massacares I am undecided upon.


More Vietnamese and Cambodians died under American airpower, firebombs and poisonous defoliants during the Vietnam war than did Armenians under the Turkish sabre in WW1. The Armenian massacres may have been a dark chapter in Ottoman history, but they were not the worst nor the first in World history.


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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 01:23
Originally posted by bg_turk


I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.


Let me guess, McCarthy and Kemal Karpat again?


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Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 02:12
Originally posted by mamikon

Originally posted by bg_turk


I did provide academic references for these figures, published in reputable scientific journals.

5.5 million Muslims (mostly Turks) were killed between 1820 and 1920 during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and as many were exiled. This you cannot deny, and if you try to deny it we will not let you deny it as long as we live.


Let me guess, McCarthy and Kemal Karpat again?


Justin McCarthy, Kemal Karpat, Dennis Hupchik, Robert Olson, Ali Eminov, Heath Lowry are the first that spring to mind

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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 12:19
lol, no point for me to argue anything...not that it is allowed on this forum

but according to your logic, on average, every 20 years, 1,000,000 Turks were massacred?


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Posted By: Alparslan1071
Date Posted: 03-Sep-2006 at 02:58

I think all massacres is the final result of the load of the community.It s leaking inside the society and explode suddenly.

Rwanda Hutu-Tutsi problem.One tripe is minority but have more power than the rest of the majority.after some reasons majority killed the minority.or after that minorty killed majority.
 
Because of the  people who doesnt know any idea about the region(French and Belgians) or for their benefit they ve dived the country and people bacame anmy.
 
Before french hand touch they werent kill each other.
 
Same has happened in Ottoman Empire.We were living with peace with greeks,armenians and serbians,bulgarians.
 
But Russians started a problem in the orthodox people (Bulgarians,Serbians,Greeks)and those people wanted the freedom.
 
Freedom brougth blood and tears to this lands but Russia become more rich and great country.
 
Greece became free after them all the others wanted same independence.They ve got all independence but this was the game of the other countries.
 
For more money dived a country (Ottoman Empire) but it brougth money for westerns but massacres or sadness for locals.
 
 



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