Worst traitors of you country

Originally posted by Thegeneral Ah, an inside joke, got it!  Just making sure because many Europeans believe he is a satanist.

I'm quite positive the vast majority of Europeans don't believe he's a satanist.

  The Russians, even though China was Communist, they still declared war agasint us with their allies the Vietamnese who we saved their butts at in the Vietnamese War.

Chiang is the man! Hes very cool and machiavellian.  Had he won CHina would have become rich and powerful far ealier than it did under the rule of Mao with alot less people dying in ill concieved work "projects"

Red guard: when did Russia ever declare war on the PRC? I think even Vietnam didn't, it was the PRC that started the Sino-Vietnamese war.

 

 

Re. Mao and Chiang, they are probably on par. Mao atz least achieved a strong central government, while Chiang never fully managed to control the various warlords.

 

 

 

 

The worst traitor in my country should be Franz von Papen, who practically eleminated the Prussian federal state in 1932 and helped Hitler become chancellor (with himself as vice chancellor).

Edited by yan.

You can certainly call him a hippocrite (all those myths about his austerity - and actually, some parts of the nazi elite were very corrupt), and of course he occasionally did betray his comrades (like Ernst R�hm) as well as the whole german people (like in 1945, when he decided that the german people were not worth living on after the war).

his role as an abysmal evil scammer is more prominent, though.

should I begin with whom? Hmmmm....

Fikret Abdic present day

19 century Ali-Aga Rizvanbegovic

Perhaps it was Dafydd Gam a man who betrayed the Welsh during Owain Glyndwr's rebellion to fight on the side of the English.

Edited by Toyotomi - 27-Aug-2006 at 15:18

in which sense did he betray to the Georgian State?

I and my origins come from Ardahan,and these cities were given to the imperialist Russian state by the Ottomans as a compensation of war back in 1878. So he could not be called a traitor for that,i suppose. What is more, BATUMI was also supposed to be given to Turkey for the same reason,but it remained within the Georgian Socialist Republic,as The RedArmy told Turkey that it would not give it back. So I suspect Stalin's hand there.