Paris riots

Ch�mage et discrimination aux sources du d�sespoir des banlieues

07/11 21:46 : ATTENTION - Ajoute propos du Premier ministre lundi soir sur ch�mage des jeunes et la Halde /// Le ch�mage massif et les discriminations � l'embauche contribuent largement au d�sespoir qui s'exprime dans les banlieues d�favoris�es, en d�pit des multiples initiatives men�es depuis des ann�es pour ramener l'emploi dans ces quartiers, soulignent experts et associations.

"Le ch�mage des jeunes atteint dans certains quartiers pr�s de 40%. C'est tout � fait consid�rable", a reconnu sur TF1 lundi soir le Premier ministre Dominique de Villepin, qui a souhait� "une mobilisation exceptionnelle de l'ANPE et des missions locales de l'emploi".

Contre les discriminations, le Premier ministre a appel� chacun � "changer de comportement et de regard".

If you would like to translate this for our non french speaking friends. Unemployment near 40% in some areas said the Prime Minister. Please don't mention stats before you check them out yourself.

Complete article

http://www.wanadoo.fr/bin/frame2.cgi?u=http%3A//actu.wanadoo .fr/Depeche/ext--francais--ftmms--emploieducation/0511072044 19.sdnuvuzi.html 

Sedamoun, "la cit� des 15,000" has 54% unemployment rate...

Your traduction itself is unaccurate, if you claim to speak French, do it well.

"Le chomage des jeunes" is the "young unemployment", not solely unemployment.

I would say Portuguese and Spaniards are well integrated. Nicolas Lopez, who used to be 4th world best at fencing rank was in my classroom in high school (after I left the suburbs) and is half French/ half Portuguese. My former neightbours were a native French and Portuguese immigrant couple.


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Clichy sous bois: taux de ch�mage de 25 %

taux de ch�mage est particuli�rement �lev� dans 5 communes parmi les plus peupl�es du d�partement : Argenteuil (16,0 %),Goussainville (18,3 %), Villiers-le-Bel (19,0 %), Sarcelles (20,9 %) et surtout Garges-l�s-gonesse (24,5 %).

Here are just some examples of the unemployment figures - for the whole active population - in these suburbs...

What did the rest of the article say? Hmmmm ?

And you don't have to worry about my french, i speak better than many of your compatriotes.

France is more of a xenophobic country than other western countries (it has been throughtout it's histroy). The FRONT NATIONAL - the far right party - always gets a nice part of the presidential votes during the elections (M. Jean MArie Le PEN), and please don't give me that crap about les votes de protestations or La troisi�me voie.

Before arabs and black came to France, Jews were the target of the far right (Le Pen doesn't even admit that there was a holocaust during WW2 sayin c'�tait un d�tail de l'histoire ).

Today, M. Sarkozy and M. De Villiers, are using this kind of propaganda for political purposes (snatching many far right voters)...

Don't get me wrong, i am not saying that the majority of France is far-right, against the integration of these populations and/or racist. I am just putting forward the fact that 10 to 20% of the population that votes is attached to far-right ideas.

 

Exactly, you've shown your agenda and all the nonsense you could align in a single shot.

And I'll mention the "votes de protestations" of course, even if you don't want to I will, to claim 20% of France is racist is an utter lie and you should be ashamed of such.

And since you're so good in French, can't you even understand Le Pen's sentence on the Holocaust? He says it was a detail of the world history, I can't agree with him, but how can you qualify something (here qualify of detail) if you deny it? I'm starting to believe the immigrants with a low French skills are indeed better than you.

And please, Sarkozy and De Villepin using such rethoric and propaganda? Give me break, you're an ignorant one that is all. And they did not snatch far right voters, quite the contrary, their rethoric on security (which is not the same than Le Pen at all) helped Le Pen more than it snatched vote from him and that's fact.

As for the Jews, France was traditionaly among the most tolerant country toward them until recently, we're in an history forum? Why don't you tell it was one of the first country they were allowed to vote in? Even before Great Britain mind you and GB is an old democracy.

pikeshot, i opened the thread again, the discussion is intense but not insultive or deregatorive and the riots seem to be not over yet.

France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds.

France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.  Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.  We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.  Germany will be returned to Islam".

Originally posted by Veritas France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds. France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.� Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.� We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.� Germany will be returned to Islam".

Not a terribly impressive first post.

Apart from the fact that Islam is if anything a 7th century religion, there was no need to warm up Islamophobia already used earlier in this discussion.

And to quote one Islamic speaker and to imply that he speaks for the rest of Muslims in Germany, Europe and the rest of the World, will convince nobody here, on the contrary it is exactly that kind of bigotry that will not be tolerated on AE.

Originally posted by Veritas France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds.

Check your history book. Islam was in Africa by the 8th century. Also, I remember African non-Muslims immigrants participating in that riot. It seems you havent' followed any news at all.

Originally posted by Veritas France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.  Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.  We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.  Germany will be returned to Islam".

Yes, France thought that anyone of African descend who lived in France must accept normal treatment of a second class citizen. Calling for social reform is late by France but not too late though.

What is the relationship between an Imam in Germany (if it happens that he said that) and France? Next time, are you going to post an allegation that an Imam in Afghanisan called for a Jihad? You seem to mix religious causes and social causes. Anyhow, since you are talking about Germany, I would like to talk about FRANCE.

Serious violence committed in 2002:

 Molotov cocktails thrown at the mosques of Mericourt (in the Pas-de-Calais region) and Chalons (in the Marne region), on April 25 and 27, and on March 24 against the Ecaudin mosque (in the Rhone region) ; a letter bomb was sent to an association seated at the Perpignan mosque (in the Pyrenees-Orientales), on April 9; an Islamic religious sculpture was profaned in Lyon, on April 24; attempted torching of a place of worship in Rillieux-la-Pape (Rhone), on December 27; anonymous tracts distributed during the presidential campaign [held in April 2002 which had set far-right racist candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen against incumbent president Chirac].

 As for 2003, three facts can be pointed to: profaned tombs in the Haut-Rhin region in July, torching of a place of worship at Nancy, and profanation of an Islamic square in the Meuse region in March. These are only examples that, in the CNCDH's view, "fall well under the real number [of racist acts committed against Islam]", especially as far as verbal insults and lighter forms of violence is concerned.

Source: France's Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (CNCDH --National Consultative Commission on Human Rights) http://www.commission-droits-homme.fr/anglais.htm

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I have some good news, according to LCI poll around 80% of the French support more repression today. And the support for the police is at its highest including in the suburbs. Several people were arrested denounced by their neightbours (probably pissed at the violence) and 5 fires were prevented due to the population support.

Guard groups also formed to watch over sensible buildings in the suburbs like schools or gymnasium. Groups often formed of descendants of immigrants. With success they prevented assaults on those buildings.

People who were expecting a revolution will be disapointed, and proven wrong.