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Topic: Paris riots Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 13:35 |
Thats my point. These orgainisations just use the circumstanses to
appear omportant and influential in the eyes of politicans and
newspapers.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 13:27 |
Originally posted by Cywr
The Union for Islamic Organizations of France, dubbed as the largest
Islamic fundamentalist (sic) organization of the country, has issued a fatwa forbidding strictly any Muslim from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others. |
Aka, they are trying to show off how important they are but the rioters won't listen to them much.
Britian has organisations like that (two main ones in fact).
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Actually I suspect most of the rioters aren't very religious. They are
only "Muslims" (mostly) in the broad cultural sense of the term. The
same that you and I are "Christians" - i.e. have a Christian cultural
background.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 11:50 |
The Union for Islamic Organizations of France, dubbed as the largest
Islamic fundamentalist (sic) organization of the country, has issued a fatwa forbidding strictly any Muslim from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others. |
Aka, they are trying to show off how important they are but the rioters won't listen to them much.
Britian has organisations like that (two main ones in fact).
Just to clarify, in Brussels, there was no riot, just a gang who set
fire to a handfull of cars and then ran away before the cops even
showed up, its not even certain who those youths were. Nothing like the
clashes seen in France.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 11:37 |
Update: situation worsens as 10 police officers are injured by gunshots
and another person, a man aged 61, dies after being beaten by a hooded
agressor.
References:
The Union for Islamic Organizations of France, dubbed as the largest
Islamic fundamentalist (sic) organization of the country, has issued a fatwa forbidding strictly any Muslim from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 07:32 |
People can't assimilate into a society if that society excludes them
anyways, so the 'they must assimilate' crowd need to make some serious
changes if they want it to actualy happen.
Edit: In Belgium too? Newslink (in Dutch/Flemish)
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 03:42 |
Loknar, reading your attitude is like hearing a White Australia nolstiagist . Broad statements that brush over a simple, black and white version of reality.
No muslim i know or knew hates western culture, most appreciate its freedoms/opportunities, even if some dont accept all
of it. Does my girlfreind's family hate me becuase im western/christian
in their eyes? no way. Has any muslim treated me like that? very few.
As for assimilation, you cant make people
assimilate. First thing you do is treat them as french not foreigners,
give them opportunity and you would see greater assimilation naturally,
but hopefully not completey (thats boring). Im not complety assimilated
and refuse to give up everything for the culture i live in, so i cant
see why anyone else has to.
Use the full strength of the law catch and lock up offenders. Calling
them scum acting with insentivity around mosques (or any religoius
building) is just fanning the flames.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 03:26 |
Originally posted by Loknar
I dont see why these nation accept so many Muslim immigrants into their country. They hate western socierty as it is, whaty did everybody expect to happen? |
The riot is caused by many North African Muslims and African immigrants too. But I guess you choose what you like to focus on based on your agenda.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 03:09 |
Originally posted by Loknar
I dont see why these nation accept so many Muslim immigrants into their
country. They hate western socierty as it is, whaty did everybody
expect to happen? |
I didnt know that all Muslims hate western society, thanks for enlightening us.
Originally posted by Loknar
Now, these nations dont have the courage to make these people
assimilate into the culture, this is what happens. All because
westerners are too afraid to look like racists. |
No, apparently its because these nations dont have the courage to accept them as equals.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 01:16 |
I dont see why these nation accept so many Muslim immigrants into their country. They hate western socierty as it is, whaty did everybody expect to happen?
Now, these nations dont have the courage to make these people assimilate into the culture, this is what happens. All because westerners are too afraid to look like racists.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 22:53 |
Denmark Moslem youth riots ignored while Paris is burning
By Judi McLeod
Friday, November 4, 2005
Is there a
connection between the Moslem-led youth riots in France, and the ones
taking place at the same time in Denmark?
The week of riots
in poor neighbourhoods outside Paris, which has spread to 20 towns, has
been well covered by the international media.
Not so for rhus, Denmark.
Nothing of it has penetrated to the English-language sections of Danish media, laments the Viking Observer.
The Observer took the
trouble to translate into English the following from Danish Jyllands-Posten:Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in rhus for years. This area belongs to us, the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.
Their words sound
like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must
stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.
Four youths sit on
a wall in Rosenhoj Mall Sunday afternoon, calling themselves spokesmen
for the groups, that three nights in a
row have ravaged and tried to burn down the restaurant and other stores.
Around the parking
lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming,
and many are walking around, greeting each other with a sense of
victory after the worst riots in rhus for years.
Every night 30-40 youths took part, especially immigrants.
Only two were arrested, That was a victory.
From the 1990s, groups and organizations formed by extremist
Moslems, which present a serious threat to the Danish Jewish Community, have
been active in Denmark.
In France, police have made 143 arrests during the unrest,
according to Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.
Prime Minister de Villepin vowed to restore order as the
violence that erupted Oct. 27 spread to at least 20 towns, manifestation of the collective
frustration simmering in housing projects that are home to scores of North
African immigrants.
Bands of stone-lobbing and petrol bomb armed bands of youth
have thus far ignored President Jacques Chiracs appeal for calm.
I will not accept organized gangs making the law in some
neighbourhoods, I will not accept having crime networks and drug trafficking
profiting from disorder, Villepin said at the Senate in between emergency
meetings called over the riots.
Government offices, a police station, a primary school and a
college, a Clichy-sous-Bois fire station and a train station were among the
buildings targeted by the gangs of youth.
Rioters also set fire to a gym near the Les Tilleuls housing
complex in the Seine-Saint-Denis region.
It burned and smoldered Wednesday night as residents looked on in
despair.
On Thursday, rioters fired four shots at police and
firefighters but caused no injuries, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government
official for Seine-Saint-Denis.
Nine civilians were injured in other unrest and 415 cars were torched
across the Paris area,
French authorities have said that the riots are not spontaneous but well organized.
Threats issued by youth rioters in Denmark that This area belongs to us, seem to indicate the same thing.
Meanwhile, the
whole world may be aware that Paris is burning, but few are aware of
the nightly youth riots in rhus, Denmark. |
http://canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 21:27 |
Originally posted by Illuminati
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there are also some pretty bad riots going on in Denmark.
The riots in Denmark are for many of the same economic reasons as in
France, but some is also over a few political cartoons that were
printed in a major Danish newspaper that was about the Prophet
Mohammed.
I think that this is going too far now. Continuous rioting is noy the
best way to achieve your goal. The rioters are only turning the public
majority against
them.
And as far as the political cartoons go, I think it's fine. Denmark has
freedom of the press, and they have a right to print what they wish. If
you don't like a politcal cartoon, then turn the page.
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I haven't seen any info on Danish riots in English language media. I
read a comment in another forum but nothing in the press. Can you
inform us?
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 20:37 |
Here is a Bedfordshire cartoon that had to be removed because it was insensitive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4406702. stm
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 19:51 |
Originally posted by Cywr
Weren't those drawings printed like 2-3 weeks ago? I saw a link to them
on that mediawatchwatch blog. Incidently some muslims organised a
demonstration defending freedom of expression there.
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yeah, but it's being treated as one of the main reason for the unrest in
Denmark. They weren't necessarily the reason for the riots. The riots
are also over economic and social issues, but the politcal cartoons
were definitely fuel on the fire.
back to the France topic. I hope the ritos end soon, but what I am
afraid of is a Rioter being shot by the police. Even though the rioters
have already shot at the police and nearly killed 2 of them, if the
police kill a young rioter, it's going to get alot more violent.
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Weren't those drawings printed like 2-3 weeks ago? I saw a link to them
on that mediawatchwatch blog. Incidently some muslims organised a
demonstration defending freedom of expression there.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 18:51 |
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there are also some pretty bad riots going on in Denmark.
The riots in Denmark are for many of the same economic reasons as in
France, but some is also over a few political cartoons that were
printed in a major Danish newspaper that was about the Prophet
Mohammed.
I think that this is going too far now. Continuous rioting is noy the
best way to achieve your goal. The rioters are only turning the public
majority against
them.
And as far as the political cartoons go, I think it's fine. Denmark has
freedom of the press, and they have a right to print what they wish. If
you don't like a politcal cartoon, then turn the page.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 17:19 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
I think the official line was 'the gas canisters indeed belong
to the police but the police didn't fire them'. If you buy into that.
Maybe it is more convincing to say Santa Claus fired
them... |
Why would that be so incredibly unprobable? Most heavier weapons
used during crimes here are stolen military equipment - that must mean
that the Royal Army tries to fill out their miserly budget by robbing
mints and cash transports then! |
C'mon! And why were there the policemen to insult the women at the exit.
Anyhow what kind of criminal would steal/buy a gas canister? You get a gun, a rifle, a knife or a car but... a gas canister?
Let's be serious and give each one their responsability. French cops
are pretty brutal and France is not absent in Amnesty International
yearly reports.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 13:01 |
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
I think the official line was 'the gas canisters indeed belong to the police but the police didn't fire them'. If you buy into that. Maybeit is more convincingto saySanta Claus fired them... |
Why would that be so incredibly unprobable? Most heavier weapons used during crimes here are stolen military equipment - that must mean that the Royal Army tries to fill out their miserly budget by robbing mints and cash transports then!
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 12:43 |
One thing which is not often mentioned is that the French police fired tear gas into a mosque during Ramadan prayers. Imagine firing tear gas into a church during christmas...
There Muslims are like 8-9% of France's population, but there is not even one non-white French person in their parliament... They have much higher unemployment rates than the French, while they are being told that everyone is equal in France. They live in poor ghettos. It is no wonder all that exploded when that fascist s.o.b. Sarkozy has taken one step too far.
Everyone in France has been aware of this coming, just watch the movie La Haine.
From indymedia.org:
Africans living and working in Paris have been pushed into ghettoized suburbs of Paris (banlieue), where the state has withdrawn education, health, and other services, while increasing police presence, checkpoints, raids on sans-papiers and levels of oppression in general. This week the suburbs have exploded.
The trigger came on Thursday, October 27th, 2005, as a group of 10 highschool kids were playing soccer in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois. When police arrived to do ID checks, the kids ran away and hid, because some of them had no ID. Three of the children hid in an electrical transformer building of EDF and were electrocuted. Two of them, Ziad Benn (17) and Banou Traor (15), died; the third, Metin (21), was severely injured.
On Saturday morning, 1000 joined in a march organised by religious associations and mosques in Clichy-sous-Bois. Representatives of the Muslim community appealed for calm and marchers wore T-shirts saying mort pour rien ("dead for nothing"). The mayor of Clichy, Claude Dilain, called for an enquiry into the deaths of the two boys. All eyes were on Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy. The response? As people were gathering in the mosques for the Night of Destiny, the most sacred night in the month of Ramadan, a night people usually spent at the mosque, the empty streets of the Cit du Chne Pointu filled with about 400 CRS militant riot police and gendarmes, blocking off the neighborhood. Yet very few people allowed themselves to be provoked into breaking the sanctity of this night, despite racist insults from the police.
On Sunday, however, provocation turned into outrage as the women's prayer room at de Bousquets mosque was teargassed by police. As people stumbled out gasping for air, the policemen called the women "whores", "bitches" and other insults. |
I think the official line was 'the gas canisters indeed belong to the police but the police didn't fire them'. If you buy into that. Maybe it is more convincing to say Santa Claus fired them...
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 12:06 |
Sarkozy is right, no matter what his critics say: the people doing this are scum. Burning cars, schools and shooting at ambulances? This is just about dumb people taking advantage of a bad situation.
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 09:59 |
Originally posted by Loknar
Originally posted by Leonidas
Loknar wrote: " Shoot to kill if they're rioting. Simple. It will quell everything" There are better non lethal ways to deal with rioting, shoot to kill will make it worse and should only be thought about as the very last option. Police with real skill and training dont have to deal with rioting like its the wild west.
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Actually it would stop it. There are countless examples of this in America. At the very least they could send the army in.
Your car is worth more than a human life? You mite not be a rioter but you'd rather be a murderer.
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HELL YES. Can you give me a good reason why I should just step aside and allow my property to be vandalized? and how am I a murderer if I am defending my self and my propery?
Should I also allow rioters to pull me from my car and beat me?
"As I said, this roit would have been over if it was in America." Its not America
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Yeah it isnt;.....I can tell....
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Boy, do you ever have a lot of respect for human life. Do you really think shooting the protesters would solve the problem? It would probably only make it worse. As for the comparison with America, am I the only one who remembers the race riots in Los Angeles in 1992?
http://www.emergency.com/la-riots.htm
I find quite a few parallels between the two: both sparked by an incident with the police resulting in death, both with racial overtones, but mostly due to social factors such as poverty and unemployment.
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