Paris riots

Originally posted by Veritas France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds. France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.� Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.� We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.� Germany will be returned to Islam".

Not a terribly impressive first post.

Apart from the fact that Islam is if anything a 7th century religion, there was no need to warm up Islamophobia already used earlier in this discussion.

And to quote one Islamic speaker and to imply that he speaks for the rest of Muslims in Germany, Europe and the rest of the World, will convince nobody here, on the contrary it is exactly that kind of bigotry that will not be tolerated on AE.

France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds.

France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.  Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.  We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.  Germany will be returned to Islam".

pikeshot, i opened the thread again, the discussion is intense but not insultive or deregatorive and the riots seem to be not over yet.

Exactly, you've shown your agenda and all the nonsense you could align in a single shot.

And I'll mention the "votes de protestations" of course, even if you don't want to I will, to claim 20% of France is racist is an utter lie and you should be ashamed of such.

And since you're so good in French, can't you even understand Le Pen's sentence on the Holocaust? He says it was a detail of the world history, I can't agree with him, but how can you qualify something (here qualify of detail) if you deny it? I'm starting to believe the immigrants with a low French skills are indeed better than you.

And please, Sarkozy and De Villepin using such rethoric and propaganda? Give me break, you're an ignorant one that is all. And they did not snatch far right voters, quite the contrary, their rethoric on security (which is not the same than Le Pen at all) helped Le Pen more than it snatched vote from him and that's fact.

As for the Jews, France was traditionaly among the most tolerant country toward them until recently, we're in an history forum? Why don't you tell it was one of the first country they were allowed to vote in? Even before Great Britain mind you and GB is an old democracy.

France is more of a xenophobic country than other western countries (it has been throughtout it's histroy). The FRONT NATIONAL - the far right party - always gets a nice part of the presidential votes during the elections (M. Jean MArie Le PEN), and please don't give me that crap about les votes de protestations or La troisi�me voie.

Before arabs and black came to France, Jews were the target of the far right (Le Pen doesn't even admit that there was a holocaust during WW2 sayin c'�tait un d�tail de l'histoire ).

Today, M. Sarkozy and M. De Villiers, are using this kind of propaganda for political purposes (snatching many far right voters)...

Don't get me wrong, i am not saying that the majority of France is far-right, against the integration of these populations and/or racist. I am just putting forward the fact that 10 to 20% of the population that votes is attached to far-right ideas.

 

Clichy sous bois: taux de ch�mage de 25 %

taux de ch�mage est particuli�rement �lev� dans 5 communes parmi les plus peupl�es du d�partement : Argenteuil (16,0 %),Goussainville (18,3 %), Villiers-le-Bel (19,0 %), Sarcelles (20,9 %) et surtout Garges-l�s-gonesse (24,5 %).

Here are just some examples of the unemployment figures - for the whole active population - in these suburbs...

What did the rest of the article say? Hmmmm ?

And you don't have to worry about my french, i speak better than many of your compatriotes.

Sedamoun, "la cit� des 15,000" has 54% unemployment rate...

Your traduction itself is unaccurate, if you claim to speak French, do it well.

"Le chomage des jeunes" is the "young unemployment", not solely unemployment.

I would say Portuguese and Spaniards are well integrated. Nicolas Lopez, who used to be 4th world best at fencing rank was in my classroom in high school (after I left the suburbs) and is half French/ half Portuguese. My former neightbours were a native French and Portuguese immigrant couple.


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Ch�mage et discrimination aux sources du d�sespoir des banlieues

07/11 21:46 : ATTENTION - Ajoute propos du Premier ministre lundi soir sur ch�mage des jeunes et la Halde /// Le ch�mage massif et les discriminations � l'embauche contribuent largement au d�sespoir qui s'exprime dans les banlieues d�favoris�es, en d�pit des multiples initiatives men�es depuis des ann�es pour ramener l'emploi dans ces quartiers, soulignent experts et associations.

"Le ch�mage des jeunes atteint dans certains quartiers pr�s de 40%. C'est tout � fait consid�rable", a reconnu sur TF1 lundi soir le Premier ministre Dominique de Villepin, qui a souhait� "une mobilisation exceptionnelle de l'ANPE et des missions locales de l'emploi".

Contre les discriminations, le Premier ministre a appel� chacun � "changer de comportement et de regard".

If you would like to translate this for our non french speaking friends. Unemployment near 40% in some areas said the Prime Minister. Please don't mention stats before you check them out yourself.

Complete article

http://www.wanadoo.fr/bin/frame2.cgi?u=http%3A//actu.wanadoo .fr/Depeche/ext--francais--ftmms--emploieducation/0511072044 19.sdnuvuzi.html 

Originally posted by sedamoun Exarchus, How would you feel to live in a ghetto for all you life where the people are all poor? did you know that in some places - La Courneuve, Aulnay Sous Bois, Trappes - unemployment peaks at 40% ? 40% !!!! That s worse than many thirld world countries. And don't forget... I bet you're French, right? And it was France that brought these people from the old colonies because they needed labour force - the Citro�n factories, Constructing firms... - in the 1950's. What now? These people started living in the peripheral areas of all major industrial cities, does LE BIDONVILLE DE NANTERRE (i.e Nanterre's favela) ring a bell. North african workers were forced to live in poor conditions and were isolated by a "wall" of barbed wire after they manifested their miscontent by a demonstartion. Please, you French think of these people as disposable. You seem to forget to easy that you brought them here and that you failed to integrate them (in my opinon, because you did not want to). Si tu veux, on peut passer sur le chat fran�ais pour poursuivre ce d�bat dans la langue de Moli�re... Here is an article retracing the history and the social reasons of the BANLIEUES. http://www.well.ac.uk/cfol/lesannees.asp

I would be pissed, but I would not go out burning car. The rioters have no excuse at all, so lefists should stop trying to justify the riots this is just a disgrace that I"ll call socialist stupidy (awwww they burned my car but I should listen to them), and even unemployed those people are still several times under the poverty rate. France has 10% unemployment and 6,5% beyond the poverty rate (compare to 12% in the USA adn 17% in UK since people like to compare France to those. Even if standards change depending of the country, we're still more or less at the same one between western develloped countries). It means in one sentence: "It's possible to be unemployed while not being poor in France". Beside you're comparing block area to countries, you should be comparing blocks to blocks France has a 10% unemployment while Saudi has a 25% unemployment for example, so if areas of France are at 50% (even your French bashing stats aren't accurate) I prefer not to know the values of the poor area in those countries, and do you seriously believe unemployment in Paris suburbs is higher than Sao Paulo's slums and the poorest areas of 3rd world country? You are implying this in your post and that's totaly ludicrous.

And we did not brought them in, this is just communist propaganda. We made a lot of crimes in Algeria that's for sure and I recognise them (because and as I've told, Algerians are the big group of immigrants with the Portuguese but those are one generation before), but that do not include deporting Algerians in France, that wouldn't have made any sense in the politic of colonisation. They came here because there were employments and that they had none in Algeria, and because they often spoke French.

About Nanterre Slum (a bidonville is a slum) it does not exist anymore. There is no slum in France anymore for several decades, they have been replaced by those huge tower blocks. So I don't know what you've been reading but your points are obviously biased, if you look for extreme poverty just go in Paris proper and see the illegal immigrants, those really have nothing. What does it have to do with today's problem? Every countries had slums in the past, France was no exeption. It's irrelevant today. So what was the purpose of bringing this?

I gave my points why the integration of those immigrants was very hard, because it wasn't diversified and that has built antagonism. When France received precedent waves of immigrations there were less troubles because it was diversified (Portuguese, Spaniards, Poles and Italians) and please don't mention the racist lame point, antagonism is created by the communautarism and not the opposite.
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Exarchus,

How would you feel to live in a ghetto for all you life where the people are all poor? did you know that in some places - La Courneuve, Aulnay Sous Bois, Trappes - unemployment peaks at 40% ? 40% !!!! That s worse than many thirld world countries.

And don't forget... I bet you're French, right? And it was France that brought these people from the old colonies because they needed labour force - the Citro�n factories, Constructing firms... - in the 1950's.

What now? These people started living in the peripheral areas of all major industrial cities, does LE BIDONVILLE DE NANTERRE (i.e Nanterre's favela) ring a bell. North african workers were forced to live in poor conditions and were isolated by a "wall" of barbed wire after they manifested their miscontent by a demonstartion.

Please, you French think of these people as disposable. You seem to forget to easy that you brought them here and that you failed to integrate them (in my opinon, because you did not want to).

Si tu veux, on peut passer sur le chat fran�ais pour poursuivre ce d�bat dans la langue de Moli�re...

Here is an article retracing the history and the social reasons of the BANLIEUES.

http://www.well.ac.uk/cfol/lesannees.asp