Paris riots

Modern democracy is 18th/19th century BC.

BC?

Has anyone got any link with what other ethnic or religious groups beside the N.African Blacks and Arabs Muslims are taking part in the riots??

Theres been mention of regular French kids taking part. bare in mind that much of the 'rioting' is just teenagers ziping around on scooters, torching stuff, and then zipping away again. Theres a lot of people joining in for kicks inevitably. Some of the 'rioiting' that apparently 'splled over' into Belgium, was actualy some extreme leftists throwing a molotov cocktail at some Flams Blok (extreme rightists) place, which isn't especialy related, but got swept in the whole' riots all over Europe' reporting vibe.

They are religious, but they twist islam in their own way.

It is my understanding that in France, just like in the Netherlands, Mosque attendance has been falling for a decade. The younger generation may identify with the religion as an identity within their society, but they aren't intrested in hanging around in mosques listening to older farts. Which is why stuff like that council issuing a fatwa is worthless, more intended for those groups to appear important and influencial as self-appointed community leaders in the eyes of the press and politicians than anything else.

Update: riots in the center of Lyon despite the many police and the announced curfew.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4430540.stm

The trouble in Lyon began at about 1700 (1600 GMT) on Place Bellecour where a large number of riot police were on duty as a preventative measure.

About 50 youths attacked stalls and damaged vehicles, witnesses were quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

The strongest unrest yesterday night was reported in Lyon and Tolouse, while Paris is under a ban of any kind of meetings for all the weekend. 

Put the blame on the Kurds, like if they are living in Turkey because if it's their wish. 

Originally posted by Exarchus As much as telling them to move out is out of proportion, I would say living in a rich and develloped country like France, with a strong social protection and so on is no birthright.

Actually it is birthright.

Originally posted by Exarchus They are religious, but they twist islam in their own way.

Same thing with people who call themselves "Christian" and go to church when they have had plenty of pre-marital sex and drunken episodes. Every group has people like this.

Originally posted by Maju They don't follow Islam. They just have (most) an Islamic cultural background but the rioters don't go to the mosque, at least most of them. They are as agnostic and irreligious as any other French or European. In this sense I think that they are well integrated.

If only, I know one, who doesn't eat pork because of his religion. I say fair enough, it doesn't matter to me. But I had him at my gates completly drunk one night. So much for islam.

They are religious, but they twist islam in their own way.
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Originally posted by Exarchus People who were expecting a revolution will be disapointed, and proven wrong.

I don't think anyone here expected a revolution more than just a social riot.

Also, the LCI poll is not a quiet great measurement to be taken seriously. I still recall LCI showing 52% for Yes to EU constitution on April 30th 2005, which proved wrong later.  Anyhow, I don't think the social riot will go beyod its current situation. Though the riot was unorganized and not clear in its demands, it defnitely woke up France to a painful reality whcih caused the establishment of anti-racism agencies, promises of social reform, and employment plan correction. A more honest approach to the public than pre-riot France

They don't follow Islam. They just have (most) an Islamic cultural background but the rioters don't go to the mosque, at least most of them. They are as agnostic and irreligious as any other French or European. In this sense I think that they are well integrated. 

I have some good news, according to LCI poll around 80% of the French support more repression today. And the support for the police is at its highest including in the suburbs. Several people were arrested denounced by their neightbours (probably pissed at the violence) and 5 fires were prevented due to the population support.

Guard groups also formed to watch over sensible buildings in the suburbs like schools or gymnasium. Groups often formed of descendants of immigrants. With success they prevented assaults on those buildings.

People who were expecting a revolution will be disapointed, and proven wrong.

Originally posted by Veritas France has a muslim problem...."French youths" aren't burning the town down, people who have imported a 10th century religion are doing the deeds.

Check your history book. Islam was in Africa by the 8th century. Also, I remember African non-Muslims immigrants participating in that riot. It seems you havent' followed any news at all.

Originally posted by Veritas France thought anyone who lived in France was "French".....maybe not.  Remember what one of the "clerics" recently said in Germany, "We are not going home.  We ARE home, and when allah wills it, the Germans will run from us.  Germany will be returned to Islam".

Yes, France thought that anyone of African descend who lived in France must accept normal treatment of a second class citizen. Calling for social reform is late by France but not too late though.

What is the relationship between an Imam in Germany (if it happens that he said that) and France? Next time, are you going to post an allegation that an Imam in Afghanisan called for a Jihad? You seem to mix religious causes and social causes. Anyhow, since you are talking about Germany, I would like to talk about FRANCE.

Serious violence committed in 2002:

 Molotov cocktails thrown at the mosques of Mericourt (in the Pas-de-Calais region) and Chalons (in the Marne region), on April 25 and 27, and on March 24 against the Ecaudin mosque (in the Rhone region) ; a letter bomb was sent to an association seated at the Perpignan mosque (in the Pyrenees-Orientales), on April 9; an Islamic religious sculpture was profaned in Lyon, on April 24; attempted torching of a place of worship in Rillieux-la-Pape (Rhone), on December 27; anonymous tracts distributed during the presidential campaign [held in April 2002 which had set far-right racist candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen against incumbent president Chirac].

 As for 2003, three facts can be pointed to: profaned tombs in the Haut-Rhin region in July, torching of a place of worship at Nancy, and profanation of an Islamic square in the Meuse region in March. These are only examples that, in the CNCDH's view, "fall well under the real number [of racist acts committed against Islam]", especially as far as verbal insults and lighter forms of violence is concerned.

Source: France's Commission nationale consultative des droits de l'homme (CNCDH --National Consultative Commission on Human Rights) http://www.commission-droits-homme.fr/anglais.htm

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