Islamic State : Who Begins

As salamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

I would the opinions of my brothers, if there was to begin an Islamic State: 

1. Which country in the world would start with an Islamic State? Give reasons.

2. Who would follow them to expand the Islamic State? (second country to follow)

3. Do youse know any country at the moment thinking about changing to the Islamic State?

what do you mean by " if there was to begin an islamic state"??

The last Islamic State was the Ottoman Empire. the west went thruogh hell trying to defeat them and it took 600 yrs to do so, since now that they have achieved this goal, they will do anything in there power to not allow such threats to ever exist again. most muslim countries today are corrupt and look to every solution other then islam.

in my opinion if there is going to be islamic state it will come from a minority like the chechens, kashmiris or other african, middle eastern or central asian tribes.

but these countries success will depend on the stronger muslim countries who might decide to change there ways, might!

you can not be classified as an Islamic state by simply having 'Muslim' population. You must implement the Sharia fully with a Caliph. to be an Islamic state. Even Saudi is not an Islamic state

Thanks that makes sense. Another definition. 

But to put so much on a Caliph in order to legitimize an Islamic state sounds frugal. The more I think about this notion of super Caliph-Islamic state the more I feel pity for those who lack confidence in their ability to act and follow there religion as they know best. Faith comes from the inside, not by someone who you give power to. And to tell you what it is. Use your vote of confidence and in law if you must. If not someone will do it for you. Remember one of those God given rights is to practise your religion with no compulsion.  

Selamat Sejahtera.......

cok gec quote :

"So, If we have Malaysia getting in unity with Indonesia, Brunai, they will create a mega south asian Islamic state with elected rulers (call them presidents) who will be under the public eyes and always have their balances checked"

Interesting... but hard to accept..... i know tht ur 'humble side' there.. is trying to come up with an example ... but seriously... my side here not so much to think tht kind of possibility to be happened... dont get me wrong.. it's not about racism or else... no no... tht issue is unrelated coz we are all malays.. Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei....

but do u know tht Indonesia practice a law tht call as 'pancasila' where mix marriage between muslim and non-muslim can be accepted and... the children can choose which religion to be adopted based on their own preference... a very complicated democracy for me as a simple malaysian to accept...

bye the way... Islamic Empire.. there is a place in Indonesia name as Acheh which is trying to be apart from tht country to develop their own Islamic country... and South Thailand... most of the local are muslims... Bad things happened in South Thailand recently...  so sad...

terima kasih....

to answer question by ottoman_turk.... Well I have to look over some of newspaper articles for this....

Ottoman_Turk quote:

By the way is there any support from local muslim countries for the south thailanders? what kind of bad things r u talking about. plz explain

Last year, on 25 October 2004, 85 muslims were killed by the Thai army. It happened in Tak Bai, Narathiwat. In Ramadhan.. the government used terrorism as an excuse for them to kill those innoncent people..

Before that the same incident happened... in April 2004. where the muslims were killed during solat in Masjid Kerisik, Pattani. 112 people killed. Again... for the same reason....

malaysia government.. tried to protect those thai muslim refugees who run to our country for protection.. and tried to bring the issue to the 10th ASEAN conference... in order to show our country disagreement and to condemn on how bad the Thai's government handled the terrorism issues...

Unfortunately.... i cant show u the picture of the tragedy here...

p/s: sad to see tht those people were killed with no mercy and the place is where your ancestor came from

tak ada masalah.. sama-sama

Why does any Islamic state have to exist? The middle east is full of different religion if anything we should seprate church from Government, we do not have to follow the western and european models, but we shoudl respect every ones religion and beliefs, a Muslim is one who abides by the will of God. We all have a covenant to God and to abide by his laws, and includes freedom of choice.

There should be no Caliphs, or Imams who appointed them? they are human and Flawed, as Only God Almight and his messengers (prophets) can lead us, we are all but humble servants of God.

Lets have a republic were everyone can be represented adn none left out. Let us Live in Harmony as brothers rather then enemies.