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    Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 01:03

 

Hi Guys:

I would like to open a new topic, so we have the opportunity to post the ancient weapons used in our countries. Matchlok weapons would be O.K.

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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 10:36

Well, I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert on the subject of the ancient weaponry of my country. Instead, I'll just post a link where anyone can find a decent load of information about the subject--with a little perseverance, of course.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/index.htm

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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 10:36
By the way, I expect Koreans to post a lot about gunpowder rockets here. Brace yourself, Jalisco Lancer.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 12:35
and turtle ships and nationalist rhetoric
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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 13:24
Weapons...does it have size limit ?
Grrr..
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  Quote Wrageowrapper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 21:10
Well my people managed to fend off the British for 20
years with nothing but sharpened wooden spears
and clubs.

What they had which was superior to the Britts was
guerrella warfare and bush craft. So in that regard i'd
have to say tacticts and organisation were the best
weapons of my people.
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  Quote Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 21:27
Sounds like a good topic...
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  Quote Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 12:04

I'll contribute info on the Continental European two-handed sword (zweihander, bidenhander, schlachtschwert, spada da due mane, espee a deux mains, spadone, espadon, claidheamh da laimh, great sword, etc), if folks are interested...

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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 16:12
flamberge is the name you're looking for
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 17:27

 

Taken from a previous post ( Arms and Armors of the Aztecs ) at the Americas, Asia Forum:

 

AZTEC WEAPONS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aztec Spear Thrower (Atl-Atl)

 

DEFENSIVE WEAPONS

AZTEC SHIELD

 

 

 

 

 

AZTEC ARMOR

 

 

TYPICAL AZTEC WARRIOR AND WEAPONS

 

 

Aztec Battle Pendant

Common Aztec Peasant Warrior with Shield

AZTEC JAGUAR WARRIOR ARMOR AND HELMET

 

 

Lifesized Ceramic Statue of Aztec Eagle Warrior

 

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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 17:31

Jalisco I love the Aztec obsidian sword (well mostly because I like Obsidian).

Isn't that shield in a german museum now?

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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 17:39

 

as many other stuffs like the Moctezuma Feather Crown ( (Copilli Queztalli) is now in a Museum in Austria. It consists of 400 quetzal-feathers and some gold (most of the gold was removed).

 

 

Too bad that Juarez agreed to return  Maximilian's mummy to Austria some months after his execution in 1867.


Max in his coffin

 

We could exchange his corpse for the Moctezuma Crown



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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 17:45
 i really like the quiver. Did the aztects use anything that resembled a composite bow?
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 18:02

 

Not really Catt, but they used a spear thrower named Atl Atl

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  Quote TMPikachu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 20:24

Zhan ma Dao (the picture of the men do NOT show them wielding them. The Zhanmadao is the sword above them. That one is over 1.5 meters in length)

'horse killing/chopping blade'

designs varied from 1.2 meters to 2 meters in length

with a blade:hilt ratio of 3:1 to 2:1

Used for killing heavy cavalry. Wielded first by elite vanguard soldiers of the Song dynasty.

 

horse choppity!

Original Song sword

Original Song sword

 



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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 21:26

Gak Goong

Korean native bow.

Creation time: 100~120 days, only on spring and fall

Made with: Bamboo, cow horn, hickory, etc

Average Range: 360m

Used since ancient times.

Grrr..
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 00:03

Korean native bow.

Is it meant to fold up like that?

If so then that's the most convenient bow ever.

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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 03:39

We had a similar thread in General history so I'll just copy/paste my previous post:

GREEK HELMETS:

Corinthian (Infantry, 7th-5th century BC)

Boeotian (Cavalry, 5th-2nd century BC)

Phrygian (Infantry, 5th-2nd century BC, usede mainly by Ionian Greeks and Alexander's troops)

Attic helmet (Infantry, 5th-2nd century BC)

Breastplates (Thorax, Argos, 8th century BC-one of the early ones):

Breastplates (Thorax, Greek Apulia, 4th century BC):

Other types of armor were made out of Linen (Linothorax). They were lighter, offered good protection and were not as hot! Here's what Linothorax looked like: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1855328674/ref=sib_dp_pt/103 -5952402-4879842#reader-page (sometimes leather was used instead)

leg guards:

Overall:

 

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  Quote Hyarmendacil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 10:13

The stiffest composite bows tend to fold like that. It's not unique to Korean bows--a large number of similar examples from Russia, Turkey, and Mongolia, for example, are also available--but most of the bows that possess enough stiffness to exhibit such an extreme reflex curve are short composite bows. Longer composite bows tend to be less stiff so that they would be able to provide the longer, steadier push required to effectively propel heavier arrows.

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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 11:35
Grenades used against the Jurchens during the Song dynasty.

Some people claim these grenades were "explosive". I doubt that. I suggest they weren't meant to seriously cause injury through shrapnel, rather they produced smoke, noise and a flash of light designed to panic the horses which the jurchens rode.
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