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    Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 23:58
Hi Yungshiebu
What is the actual difference between traditional Mongol
and Manchu Scripts?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2006 at 17:32

You could see the differences following table

 



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 12:13
i see here manchu people also not even conected with chines.i thought manchu's are part of china.and chine destroed them. from her i see ____ chines never concured mongolia

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  Quote raygun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 20:36
Where ate the Manchus today? Were they all assimilated into Han Chinese? Or are there still enclave living some where in Mongolia or Russia?
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 23:53
Originally posted by real mongol

i see here manchu people also not even conected with chines.i thought manchu's are part of china.and chine destroed them. from her i see ____ chines never concured mongolia
 
You are 100% right Mongols never occupied by CHINA at all. Manchus were the ones that subjeguted Mongols through marriage with alliance other Mongols.
 
Most of the Manchu Emporers were married with Mongol princesses of Golden royal line.  
 
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You are right.

There are lots of documents about Mongol and Manchu intermarriages. Unfortunately Mongols (specially in Mongolia) are not really fond of being related to Manchus, because Manchus brought Mongols in
China. Mongol khans and Noyons who allied with Manchus through marriage or annual gold /silver/silk
payment were considered/ labeled as collaboraters/ traitors present Mongolian History.
So historical texts are very hesitant to mention it.
Actually it is just one of the ancient traditions, even Chinggis khaan gave his daughters to allied
princes. It was same to Manchus too. The Qing Manchus often contracted marriages with the Mongols as a means of securing political alliances.
Personally i believe Manchus played good and bad roles in history of Mongols. Good ones are Manchus prevented any further bloody civil wars among Mongols and protected Mongols from Russians and Chinese for 2 centuries.


Inner Mongolia Khans had contact with Manchus much earlier. There were lots of inermarriages between them. therefore some Inner Mongolian princes remained loyal to very end Manchu Imperors line. Last Emperor Pu Yi mentioned in his memior " from Imperor to citizen" that inner Mongolian prince Babojaoba ( maybe Bavuujav) was paying homage even at that time Pu Yi had no power.

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-Huang Taiji (Manchu: ; Chinese: 皇太極 hung ti j; also known as 洪太極 hng ti j or 黃台吉 hung ti j; Abahai Sain Khaan- in Mongolian) had Mongol princess, who later became the Grand Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang (Manchu: Hiyooungga Ambalinggū Genggiyenu Hūwanghu).

Grand Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang Wen (zh: 孝莊太后 Hiyooungga Ambalinggū Genggiyenu Hūwanghu as the Empress in Manchu; March 28, 1613 - January 27, 1688) was the grandmother of Emperor Kang Xi of the Qing Dynasty. She was a daughter of a prince of Borjigit, the Horqin Mongols, Prince Jaisang, thus was a descendant of Genghis Khan. Her given name was Bumbutai.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Empress...ger_Xiao_Zhuang


2. The Shunzhi Emperor (March 15, 1638February 5, 1661?) was the second emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the first Qing emperor to rule over China proper from 1644 to 1661.
Emperor Shunzi had 2 Mongol consort
- The Demoted Empress (廢后), from the Borjigit Mongol clan, niece of Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang, demoted in 1653
- Empress Xiaohui Zhang (Chinese: 孝惠章皇后; Manchu: Hiyooungga Fulehun Eldembuhe Hūwanghu) (d. 1718) from the Borjigit Mongol clan, made empress in 1654

3. The Kangxi Emperor - Enkh Amgalan Khaan (May 4, 1654 December 20, 1722) was the third Emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the second Qing emperor to rule over all of China. His grandmother was Mongol. He gave his some of his daughters to Mongol Princes for marriage.

4. The Yongzheng Emperor - Nairalt Tuv Khaan (born Yinzhen 胤禛) (December 13, 1678 - October 8, 1735) was the fourth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the third Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1722 to 1735.

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5. The Qianlong Emperor - Tengeriig Tetgesen Khaan (born Prince Hongli, September 25, 1711 February 7, 1799) was the fifth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty,
He had consort Ying Kuai Fei (1731 - 1800) of the Silam clan of Mongol origin.

6. The Jiaqing Emperor - Saishaal Eroolt Khaan (November 13, 1760 September 2, 1820) was the sixth emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the fifth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1796 to 1820.

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7. The Daoguang Emperor - Tor Gerelt Khaan (September 16, 1782 - February 25, 1850) was the seventh emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the sixth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1820 to 1850.

He had Empress Xiaojing Cheng (孝静成皇后) (1812 - 1855) of the Borjigit Mongol clan.

8. The Xianfeng Emperor, - Tugeemel Elbeg Khaan- born Yizhu, (July 17, 1831 - August 22, 1861) was the eighth Emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the seventh Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1850 to 1861.

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9. The Tongzhi Emperor, -Buren zasagt Khaan - born Zaichun (April 27, 1856January 12, 1875) was the ninth emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, and the eighth Qing emperor to rule over China, from 1861 to 1875.
-Empress Alute, (孝哲毅皇后) of the Alute clan (1854 - 1875). Tongzhi married Lady Alute from a Mongol clan and died of smallpox at the age of 18.

10. The Guangxu Emperor - Badarguult Tor Khaan- Badarangga Doro -(August 14, 1871November 14, 1908), born Zaitian (載湉), was the tenth emperor of the Manchu Qing dynasty, and the ninth Qing emperor to rule over China

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11. Puyi - Hevt Yos Khaan - (Chinese:溥儀;) (February 7, 1906October 17, 1967) of the Manchu Aisin-Gioro ruling family was the Xuantong Emperor (宣統皇帝) of China between 1908 and 1924 (ruling emperor between 1908 and 1912, and non-ruling emperor between 1912 and 1924), the tenth and last emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty to rule over China.

But i read about that he had Mongol consort from Daur Mongol
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