Kurdicization of Anatolia

"Miller" dont try to distort what I said pls.. in that thread you were talking about I was talking about the 'kurds', and the possibity of them being the real deal what they claim to be, existed some thousand years ago, as like 'strategos' in all the ancient maps I've look at, they dont exist.

There are clear differences between who are freedom-fighters and who are terrorists by their definition and so to put them into a single category just shows the way some people are trying to cover up support for terrorism. Palestinians? no we cant say the same thing, that land was in an essence theirs only 50 years ago (not 5000 years ago.. ), but various groups and sects within them we can call terrorists..

In another thread here I read It said that Kurdish claim in Turkey is not valid because it is a 5000 year old claim unlike Palestinians which ir 50 years old. Now here you are saying the reverse. So which one is it

Of course you are, no one denies it.

Turks arent totally new in Anatolia. The descendents of the indegenious people consist an impotant part of Anatolian gene pool, so we partly, originally belong to Anatolia.

some Greek settlements in the region

That is funny. Greeks have never reached eastern Anatolia, by settlements. There were no Greeks living beyond Aegean region during the Byzanthine region, except a minor ethnic Greek settlement in Cappadocia and Greek colony of Trebizond. Southeastern Anatolia (Northern Mesopotamia was shared btw Assyrians and Kurds.

If you mean Zeugma, the Roman city, its inhabitants werent Greeks.

Eastern Anatolia was a region where Armenians, Kurds and Turks were living together before the Armenian exiles. Today, Kurds have policies of settling and expanding all over Eastern Anatolia, including once non-Kurdish regions of north of Lake Van so that they can consist the dominant population there.

"Tangriberdi" - Turks have been in anatolia for how long? 800-1000 years? maybe longer? what about Persians? Armenians? Arabs? Byzantines? Romans? Greeks? they've been here even longer... So the real question should be to ask 'who' are these people, that call themselves 'kurds'; Yes they were a small minority in the ottoman empire.. but you dont honestly think that these
can be the originals.. under dominant ruling countries of the area, those much harsher than the ottomans, and the seljuks, and so on..

   Somethings really depend on what you want to call yourself, if some idiot comes up and says Im begining my own race of 'Tangriberdi's' then let them.. I mean they will be only harmfull to themselves..

   So if these people they want to call themselves 'kurds', then let them. If their comfort in modern countries has gone to their brains and they want to farm some dust cloud in the middle-east let them.. When their only possible source of income runs out (petrol) then we shall see..

If they terrorize, civilians and think they can get away with it.. well; Turks are patient but patience does run out, and Turk is a bred warrior, we'll pick up our swords and enter the middle east. Like your nick translates "Tanri('god')gave - Tanri's gift" to us.

Well whatever happened, it happened under Turkish Ottoman rule. It's funny how you are demonizing the existence of Kurds in Anatolia.

Even if true, do you know people use the same arguments against Turks in Anatolia and Iran? You say the real home of Kurds is in Iran, some people say the real home of Turks is in Mongolia.

It is a stupid argument.

"When the Turkish republic was declared, Turkey was a country which lost 25% of her proper territory  to a 5% population, Kurds."

What territories? They are still Turkish. After WW1 the french and brits, promised us a State in Eastern Anatolia, but that was later forgotten when Ataturk intervened.

It can be easily detected in Ottoman, Iranian and Russian documents that Eastern Anatolia has begun to be Kurdicized in late 1650s. Before that there were only Assyrians Armenians  Arab Turkish and some Greek settlements in the region(only Kurds in the region was around Colemerg (now Hakkari). The ottoman policy was Sunnitizing the region against the Iranian Shia peril. In order to that Shia and Alawite Turkmen population of the region was exposed to serious pressures, massacres and exiles. So the region was evicted from Shia elements amd in place of Shia Turkmens Sunnite Kurds were invited to the region by the Ottomans. And then properties and territories of Turkmens were given to Kurds and especially to their feodal lords. These lords(aqas) tortured Turks in the region and led them to go out of the region and sparse towards south or  east and the rest to be assimilated by Kurds. Many of them sent to the Cyprus and the Balkans.  Until 1900s things went on. And that ever-mentioned Armenian holocaust( and according to some others it was just a replacement) broke out. And the villages, towns and cities where Armenians evacuated were captured by Kurds and so Kurdicization and Kurdification of the Eastern Anatolia was almost complete except some Turkish cities which still remained. Now it was out of contol of Ottomans too.

During the events between 1900-1940 Kurds captured the cities Diyarbakir, and Urfa completely and Van, Erzincan  and some other small towns partially.

When the Turkish republic was declared, Turkey was a country which lost 25% of her proper territory  to a 5% population, Kurds.

By time going process did not cease. Kurds were being spread towards cities like  Ardahan Kars Igdir South of Erzurum, Marash, Malatya , Adiyaman and towards some other small towns of the region by 1960 when Kurds stared to go further west. At the same time they produced dramatically.

Today 28% (estimates changing) of Turkish population of Turkey and 40%of its territory is belonging to Kurds and there is no Turkish city that has no Kurdish immigrants. Estimates shows that 48% of Turkish pop. will have consisted of Kurds by 2050 and ethnic Turks will be a minority in their own country. SO THE BIG LIE THAT KURDS TELL ABOUT THAT ANATOLIA IS A 4000- YEAR KURDISH LAND APPEAR What do you think about that?

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