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July 25th, 1461- Conquest of Trebizond

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    Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 14:10

Ataturk was a member of Itthad ve Terakki once, but his ideas were totallu against theirs. Ataturk was all against Turan and Enver Pasha was his rival. He was declared a traitor by the Ottoman government, so practically, he was against both.

But he developed some of the ideas of Young Turks, such as nationalism and secularism. He was influenced with their purpose of creating a modern Turkish nation from the multiethnical, collapsed structure of the empire. His other actions were against the purposes of Young Turks.

I think you're referring to Chamli Hemshin, a region east of Rize. There lives no Armenians or Rums there, but Islamicized Georgians and Laz. Most of the Muslim Rums live around Trebizond, but there arent any significant numbers of Armenians.

The Sevres treaty gave the cities of Trebizond and Erzincan to Armenia, but those cities didnt have major Armenian populations. As I said, Erzurum, Kars, Bitlis, Ardahan were the most Armenian populated cities.

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Ataturk was a member of Itthad ve Terakki once, but his ideas were totallu against theirs. Ataturk was all against Turan and Enver Pasha was his rival. He was declared a traitor by the Ottoman government, so practically, he was against both.

So those of you who like the idea of a united Turanian state dislike Ataturk?

I think you're referring to Chamli Hemshin, a region east of Rize. There lives no Armenians or Rums there, but Islamicized Georgians and Laz. Most of the Muslim Rums live around Trebizond, but there arent any significant numbers of Armenians.

In wikipedia the Hemshinli are cited as the only ethnic group related to Armenians. Some of them even know an Armenian dialect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamshenis



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So those of you who like the idea of a united Turanian state dislike Ataturk?

Well, the idea of Turan was just a political purpose for that time. And it was an impossible purpose, a purpose which drove the empire to the end. Ataturk was against it because he was for being busy with the new republic's inner works and reforms, rather than imperialk Pan-Turkish missions. Turan was a harmful dream, beautiful but impossible, because it was used as a puppet.

I always tought Chamli Hemshinlis were Georgians, their looks, their traditions are very similar with Georgians of the region. But yes, it says they are Armenians. Anyway, I know they arent Turks.

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