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R_AK47 
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 Topic: The best warriors ever?Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 11:34 |
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Oh, in that case I would nominate the United States Army's Special Forces (Green Berets). |
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SearchAndDestroy
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Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 18:58 |
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Green Beret's? They are mostly for training a insurgency. Though they are good fighters, they aren't used for combat operation specifically as the Navy Seals or Rangers might be.
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"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." E.Abbey
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DukeC
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Posted: 07-Feb-2006 at 19:16 |
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Apaches were some of the toughest warriors the world has seen.
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 08-Feb-2006 at 03:50 |
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I saw some people saying earlier that they would have been liberated just the same in WWII by the Red Army had the US and UK not Invaded Europe... You have got to be kidding me, they would liberate you alright, just like they did Poland, Hungary, Czechoslavakia, East Germany ect... Anyway, on a more serious note: Modern warfare takes the same amount of courage if not more(in the past they didn't have to deal with being killed by people the couldnt see or being blown up by an artilleryman 10 miles away...and just the sounds of modern warfare can be hugely frightening), so courage isnt really the issue with today's warfare, the issue is that anyone can kill anyone with a firearm and although it takes some skill to use them basically you have a chance of killing someone just by spraying and praying. Warfare historically of course was different, those warriors posessing greater skill were more likely to survive a battle and therefore warfare in the past people could of course produce better warriors in the area of personal skill. I am going to list a few from several eras as when times change so do the wars and the warriors. 700-300 BC: Argians,Spartans and Macedonians 300BC-100 AD: Carthaginians, Romans and Maccabees 100-500 AD: Romans, Sarmatians, Palmyrans, Huns and Goths 500-1000 AD: Franks, Vikings, Armies of Islam, Byzantines, and Magyars 1000-1200AD: Norman Knights, Byzantine Cavalry, Turks, French armies, Armies of both Frederick Barbarossa and Richard the Lionheart 1200-1500AD: Hussites, Teutonic knights, Knights of Malta, Longbowmen, Scottish Pikemen, Mongols, and Janissaries. 1500-1700AD: Polish Hussars, Ritters, Border Reivers, Swiss Pikemen, Landesnechtes, Swedes under Gustav Adolph II, and the English New Model Army. 1700-1800AD: Jacobites, British Infantry, Continental Regulars(AFTER Valley Forge), and the French cavalry 1800-1900AD: Spanish Geurillas, French Army, British, Krasjisniks, Turkomen, Various Native American tribes, French Foreign Legion, The Iron Brigade and the Stonewall Brigade, and the Prussian army. 1900-Present: Boers, Germans, Japanese, Russians, Polish(at monte cassino in particular) Chinese(Korean War), Israelis, Croatians, US Marines(they have taken part in some of the hardest and most intense fighting in modern history and have taken huge casualties so I believe that they do deserve a mention) and British Paras! Edited by Pezhetairoi |
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R_AK47
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 01:01 |
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Knights Templar, Knights Hospitaller, and Teutonic Knights! Those organizations produced the greatest warriors of the middle ages.
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BigL
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 03:51 |
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American seem to be especially eurocentric with listings Why? |
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 11:52 |
I assume you mean why do we seem to list Europeans over Asians? Well for me personally it is because I admittedly have a lack of knowledge as far as the Far East history is concerned |
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BigL
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 15:25 |
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thats exactly what im saying <americans love the history of europe even though there not european.For some reason Americans think they are Roman or Greek.All i ever see on american made programs is how great romans and greeks are.My theory is its american propagandda to prove that greco./roman culture is superior to others and thus justifys taking "democracy" to places like iraq. |
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 19:45 |
I highly doubt this conspiracy, and in fact most Americans are of European descent. So it is only natural that we be interested in our own history(which is shared IMO for the most part due to immigrations over the centuries) Even many of the minorities here in the US have strong ties to European history, the hispanic popultion for example have historical ties to Spain. Americans as a people did not suddenly sprout up out of North America as a new people with no history, we were in fact British, Spanish and French colonists. I also have to disagree with the assumption that Greek or Roman culture was superior to anyone in any way besides militarily. Although there is of course much to learn from these civilizations...many of the "barbarians" had civil sytems just as complex, just they were mainly disunified and played against each other by the Romans. Furthermore American programs on history generally seem to focus on WWII and the Civil War rather then Greek and Roman culture, In fact I wish there was more on the Greeks and Romans and MUCH less on WWII. |
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Guests
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Posted: 10-Feb-2006 at 22:06 |
I agree. But in regards to Azerbaijan.. 1/5 of it is not a big chunk, considering Azerbaijan is extremely tiny to begin with. Infact 1/5 of it is miniscule that's like smaller than Deleware. Lol |
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ArmenianSurvival
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:13 |
Thats true, 1/5 of Azerbaijan is not that much land. But you're talking about a population of 150,000 who started the war outnumbered 2 to 1, and had no tanks and no planes, against a country of 8 million who had an airforce and plenty of tanks, not to mention better weapons and armor. All the tanks the Armenians used in the war were stolen from Azeri bases. Of course Russia had a hand in assisting the Armenians with war technology, but the Azeris lost a province that sits on a mountain range (literally--I've been there twice), and were overtaken by numerically and technologically disadvantaged rebel forces who were working their way up from the bottom of those mountains. Also, the casualties were roughly 5,000 Armenians to 25,000 Azeris. If Azerbaijan had all those advantages and lost, then the only concievable advantage Armenians had was a much more clever/efficient group of soldiers. I'm sure both sides fought with bravery, but it takes a lot of bravery for the Armenians to fight an enemy with that many advantages on their side. I mean, if Azerbaijan's army lost while fighting on top of mountains, imagine if they were on equal ground, much less had comparable war technology  |
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Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works!
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Abyssmal Fiend
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:16 |
The Knights of the Hospital weren't nearly as good as the Knights Templars. Then again, the Knights Templars and Knights Hospitallers weren't exactly bright -- 150 of them charged 7,000 cavalry troops. |
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 00:45 |
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Well it wasn't about intelligence but rather about honor, they felt that if they were to avoid a fight they were then nothing but cowards. |
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Abyssmal Fiend
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 02:55 |
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No, it was more that they were being led by two berserks in shining armor. And, oddly enough, those two incredibly rash fellows were Guy de Lusignan's chief advisors. Well, among them.
It was a stupid move. They didn't have to do it. Even if they won, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. 7,000 cavalry is a lot, but 150 Knights was 1/4th the yearly yield of knights in Palestine. I'm pretty sure Saladin could throw more than a 21,000 cavalry at the Crusaders, especially after he united Syria and Egypt. |
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Otho
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 09:28 |
Great list mate. Sorry if it's a stupid question, but who where the Maccabees? A couple other you might want to add: Janisarries, Swedes under Gustav Adolph II, and the Mongols.... |
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Ignis aurum probat, miseria fortes viros
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 11-Feb-2006 at 14:22 |
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Maccabees were Jewish rebels who rose up against the Seleucids and eventually defeated them over a 20 year period of tough and bitter fighting. The jewish holiday of Hannukah is the celebration of thei victory over the Seleucids. I will update the list a little later when I have more time. Thanks for the suggestions Edited by Pezhetairoi |
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Sarmata
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Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 15:01 |
I gotta say Im kinda suprised you didnt put up the Polish soliders for present times, but u put Croatians up there. |
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Emperor Barbarossa
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Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 19:21 |
No, you misunderstood me. What I meant was that the Red Army would have defeated the Germans no matter if the allies had invaded Western Europe. The reason the Allies suddenly invaded in 1944 was because the Russians were starting to invade Eastern Europe, and without intervention, would have pushed into Eastern Europe. |
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Pezhetairoi
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Posted: 12-Feb-2006 at 20:00 |
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No, I agree with you, I don't think it was you I was talking about The Polish are great fighters but they did not turn the tide of a massive conflict as the Croatians had done. Again, this is not meant as a slight toward the Poles as I have the greatest respect for them and their military heritage. If I have offended you I sincerely appologize. |
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Emperor Barbarossa
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Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 12:07 |
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The Poles never got credit for cracking some codes. They did lead the assault at the Fourth Battle of Monte Casino. They just couldn't rebel at Warsaw successfully. |
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