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    Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 22:14
As others have already said - I vote for Erich von Manstein.  I mean, how can you go for anyone else?  I am a big historian, and fan, of von Manstein, and if any of you wish to familiarize yourself more with him be sure to read his memoirs, Lost Victories - you can purchase it on Amazon.

In any case, should I summarize his accomplisments?

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During the Polish Campaign his Panzers rolled into Warsaw, where he found out that tanks and street battles don't go together.  However, his genius truly flared when the remainders of the Polish Army which ad been overrung in the West had moved east to threaten the German Werhmacht from the rear.  Erich von Manstein quickly disengaged from the Warsaw suburbs and, along with other German units, quickly and effectively sorrounded this Polish Army and finished it off - which turned out to be the gravest debacle for Poland in the campaign.

His next largest achievement was the creation of Fall Gelb.  Many people aren't aware that the invasion plan for France was written by von Manstein. 

During his operations towards Leningrad his 56th Motorized Corps was able to sorround and destroy the 2nd Shock Army (which would be destroyed again near Mosnoi Bor).  He was then transferred to the Moscow Front, where he did relatively nothing, and then transferred back to Leningrad, where again he did not have the time to do anything, and finally he was given a command in the Crimea.  In early 1942 he captured Sevastapol (in which he suffered heavy casualties), and then he did relatively little until he was given command of Army Group Don in late 1942.  In what I consider his next work of genius he opened up on the Soviets and launched Operation Winter Tempest - he reached within 30 kilometers of the Stalingrad kessel, however, due to a lack of cooperation from von Paulus, who refused to break out, he was forced to cancel the operation and recall his men.  In Febuary 1943 Stalingrad surrendered creating quite the situation as the Soviet armies turned to fight Manstein's Army Group South.  However, in March 1943 he preformed his greatest deed and captured Kharkov using the 2nd SS Panzer Korp, and thereafter he led the attack into the Kursk salient, beginning July 6th, 1943, and reached the farthest.  After the Kursk defeat - in which he was a proponent of continuing the operation - he fought a genius defense in the Ukraine, until early 1944, when Hitler sacked him - and consequently Hitler lost the war for himself..although Hitler lost the war forhimself in 1933, when he became chancellor of Germany.

In this short, and very vague, history of Manstein I conclude, that I believe Manstein was the greatest general during the Second World War.  No other general can compare to him.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 19:42

Perhaps we should all start referring to him as St Erwin from now on.

Now that's sorted out lets talk about another topic, may I suggest  "Himler, wot a nice guy."

 



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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:21
Originally posted by Paul

He was a Prussian aristocrat, none were big Nazi's. However he was a devout admirer of Hitler's. He worked closely with Hitler during the early years of the war, was seen beside him and sucked up to him more than any other German general, he accompanied Hitler to Sudetenland in October 1938 and then into Prague in March 1939.

He also didn't start doubting victory till 1942.

Not so angelic?

he was not of Prussian aristocracy, von Manstein was but not him. he also did not liked Hitler as said, but he didn't wanted to join resisstance when offered, but on the bombing plot of 20th july 1944 he would have opened the front for the allies to enter paris without resisstance, however he has been replaced shortly before. he was therefore neither pro nor anti hitler, he was just a guy takign opportunities....

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:02

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Rommel was also NOT a nazi. He never was, and he despised much of the Nazi Party. Rommel also said that this was a war that Germany could not win. He said that from the beginning.

He saw that the end was getting close and that Hitler would ruin all of Germany. He decided to aid in the plot so that he could gain command and then surrender. There was no doubt in Rommel's mind that Germany was going to lose.

 

He was a Prussian aristocrat, none were big Nazi's. However he was a devout admirer of Hitler's. He worked closely with Hitler during the early years of the war, was seen beside him and sucked up to him more than any other German general, he accompanied Hitler to Sudetenland in October 1938 and then into Prague in March 1939.

He also didn't start doubting victory till 1942.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 06:19
Rommel only lost because Hitler refused to give him the amount of troops he needed. Hitler sent them away to Russia as that battle was more important to him. Rommel still did really well for sum1 with a very limited amount of tanks and troops.......
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  Quote capcartoonist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 09:25
Ah, someone mentioned Heinrici.  Yes, he was very good on the defense. 
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  Quote capcartoonist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 09:25

Rommel was defeated in North Africa by his inability to understand the importance of logistics.

The best general?  For strategy, probably Von Manstein.  Tactically, Heinz Guderian or Herman Balck.

 

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  Quote Slickmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 15:07
Interesting, I have not heard that one b4
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 14:54
Rommel was also NOT a nazi. He never was, and he despised much of the Nazi Party. Rommel also said that this was a war that Germany could not win. He said that from the beginning.

He saw that the end was getting close and that Hitler would ruin all of Germany. He decided to aid in the plot so that he could gain command and then surrender. There was no doubt in Rommel's mind that Germany was going to lose.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 12:55

Not too sure why Rommel joined the plot against Hitler. Possibly it was petty because he wasn't given the command he wanted, or more general because of the bad tactics Hitler was forcing upon the army. Maybe he even only jumped on the bandwagon because he thought it would succeed and didn't want to be left out if it did.

One thing for sure, he didn't support it because he objected to any attrocities.

Also Rommel was one of Hitler's most passionate supporters from the army, which is why Hitler championed him so much as the national hero.

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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 02:23
as far as success goes....I ddidn't vote for Rommel. He lost most of his battles after his defeat in nroth Africa...I voted for Patton.

however...I have the upmost respect for him because he saw what Hitler was doing and knew it to be wrong. Rommel was involved in the plot to assassinate Hitler. He was a true Patriot and saw the evils of Hiter and risked his life to stop him.

Germany had some of the best Generals......but unfortunatley for them Hitler failed to listen on many occasions.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 02:45

Where is Zhukov???

ZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukov!

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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Nov-2004 at 04:30

German generals:Rommel,Guderian,Erich Fon Manstein

Soviet Generals:Zukov,Konief

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 08:41
i agree with all the people who said manstein because Germany did have all the best generals.....almost hands down...........also rommel is great
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  Quote Demetrios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 16:35

   Where is Von Manstein , the battle of karkov is simply a masterpiece of tactic. He beat severly russian's armies which outnumbered him 6:1. At this time german armies were retreating. Only hitler's pride forced them to stay and fight.

 

  so having no choice i vote for Romel........of course 

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 03:39

So many of them:

...Zhukov, Konev, Rommel, Guderian, Patton, McArthur, Eisenhover, Monty...

...and what about Yamamoto?

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  Quote Sudaka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 02:03

Guderian couse german blitzkrieg is his signature

Manstein: the best, see counterattack at jarkov

Heinrici , the only german mastered in defense

wavell (a forgotten one, defeated by romel, but he swap italians whit a ridicoulous force)

Mannerhein: the finish, remenber the winter war: he only had 9 divicion agains 150, 60 planes agains 3000 thousands, and 6 tanks agains 5000. they manage to resist and the pull back the rusians. He lost end the end but he couse 200 000 deaths to russians. A man to take care.

wingate: the most original general i think i ever see, take a look at chiindits forces and u see the american air cavalry idea

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 18:18
Rommel is indeed one of the keyes why the german forces were so tough and great....or atleast i think so
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  Quote Slickmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 19:41

Heinz Guderian I would say was well up there. He knew how to get the job done

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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2004 at 12:41

I don't think any commander could command and organize troops on the move like George S. Patton.  In a fluid battlefield situation he was unmatched as he demonstrated in his counterattack in the battle of the bulge when he took his already heavily engaged army, disengaged, tilted his axis of advance 90 degrees to push northwards into one of the worst blizzards in recent European history to attack the German flank in only a few days.  The most stunning part is how he managed to shift his logistics northwards in order to supply his an entire army, the organization of it is almost unthinkable.  In fact when Patton suggested his plan the other allied generals laughed thinking it was impossible.

 



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