Best General Of WW2
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Topic: Best General Of WW2
Posted By: Gallipoli
Subject: Best General Of WW2
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 07:33
| Who was the best? I go for Rommel, as usual. |
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Posted By: warhead
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 10:08
| Zhukov |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 11:46
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Patton ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Arkhanson
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 08:41
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Also I voted to Romel ------------- 
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Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 09:12
Oh shoot I forgot to put Zhukov, sorry warhead  ------------- |
Posted By: Arkhanson
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 09:18
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not important General monty better than him -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 12:59
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where is manstein? I vote for rommel...but Manstein is better....rommel was just a big showman...
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i think that germans had best commanders....Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 13:33
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Yep ,exactly the as Mulder said.. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen8.htm - Manstein was absolutely the best..as for Zhukov I would remmomend to read following articles: http://www.larkfarm.com/books/zhukov.htm - http://www.larkfarm.com/books/zhukov.htm http://www.onwar.com/articles/f9905.htm - http://www.onwar.com/articles/f9905.htm |
Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 13:49
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But wasn't Rommel defeated several times? ------------- [IMG]http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6148/ger3.jpg"> Qaghan of the Vast Steppes http://steppes.proboards23.com - Steppes History Forum |
Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 03:25
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Montgomery was also defeated, his worst military blunder being Operation Market Garden. Remember we watched a movie called "A Bridge Too Far" Ihsan? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 06:49
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rommel was defeated at normandy...and El Alamein...but Battle of Alamein-rommel was on sick leave he was nowhere near battlefield. Normandy- rommel wanted to put all forces on wheels to counterattack allieds after landings "Field Marshal Rundstedt remained above Rommel as Supreme Commander West in command of all of occupied France. This would later become a problem because even though Rommel commanded Army Group B, he needed permission to move units between his different Armies within the Army Group. This actually meant that Rundstedt would then need to send the request to Hitler." Dont balme rommel he was a good commander, but it wasnt enough (On March 11th of 1943, Erwin Rommel was awarded by Hitler, the Knights Cross with Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds. At the time, Erwin Rommel was physically and morally shaken and was a shadow of his past glory.
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)Posted By: Arkhanson
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 08:27
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Beeh all of us and these generals are humanbeings we can make some mistakes of we can be defeated -------------
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Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 08:54
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Ney? (What) Human beings? Generals consider themselves violant warlords, not human beings. If you are a human being and a general at the same time you screw up,thinking about every single soldier in your army... ------------- |
Posted By: Arkhanson
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 08:59
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Beeeh roger and over -------------
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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 06:20
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Of course Dwight Eisenhower.Think operation Overlord ------------- |
Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2004 at 08:16
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Yayy Rommel wins
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Posted By: Abyssmal Fiend
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2004 at 10:31
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.... Wha? No Albert Speer? Sure, he wasn't a General, but in his own words "I damn myself for keeping the Nazi war machine running longer than Hitler ever could have done it, and damn myself for not seeing the truth in the error of my path." Inside the Third Reich, by Albert Speer. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 02:58
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Fritz erich von manstein how bout that guys?...and heinz guderian....they both are as brilliant as rommell ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 04:32
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The most successful?.......Zhukov
Best of the well known German Generals?.......Rommel Best of the least known German Generals?......Heinrici Finest American General?......................Bradley Finest British General?............Air Marshal Dowding |
Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 04:47
| where's Guderian? he was pretty damn innovative |
Posted By: Evildoer
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 06:29
There is a Nazi General called Maximillian Freiherr von Weichs (spelling?) who looks almost identical to Donald Rumsfeld...
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Posted By: Shifty Russian
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 20:46
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I think the concensus (sp) Rommel is the best... and he gets my vote too. I just don't think he had a chance in Normandy - and he knew it him self. ------------- I'm Shifty Russian, Suka |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 07:14
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Best allied general, William Slim. Only Zhukov comes close. Best Axis general, Heinz Guderian. Why aren't they options on the poll? ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: SJI Lasallian
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 20:59
I go for Zhukov definitely... ------------- "I adore in all things the will of God in my regard" -- Saint John Baptist De la Salle (final words) |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2004 at 09:56
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I support Paul .Gen Slim despite his victories is the most underrated on Allied side On German i will put gen . Hube (hero of Stalingrad,Succesfully conducted German operations in Sycyli against Patton and Montgomery. Succesfull comander of 1 Panzer Army during the time of "walking cauldrons" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2004 at 07:49
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1.) Erich von Manstein 2.) Heinz Wilhelm Guderian 3.) Karl Rudolf Gerd von Rundstedt
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Posted By: Abyssmal Fiend
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2004 at 11:21
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Allied: Patton, hands down. Axis: Rommel, he only lost the Atlantic Wall because of Hitler's interference. ------------- 
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2004 at 17:46
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Ah, what the heck! I voted Rommel. What about the Japanese? Didn't they have generals? ------------- Vou votar nas putas. Estou farto de votar nos filhos delas |
Posted By: Laelius
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2004 at 12:41
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I don't think any commander could command and organize troops on the move like George S. Patton. In a fluid battlefield situation he was unmatched as he demonstrated in his counterattack in the battle of the bulge when he took his already heavily engaged army, disengaged, tilted his axis of advance 90 degrees to push northwards into one of the worst blizzards in recent European history to attack the German flank in only a few days. The most stunning part is how he managed to shift his logistics northwards in order to supply his an entire army, the organization of it is almost unthinkable. In fact when Patton suggested his plan the other allied generals laughed thinking it was impossible.
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Posted By: Slickmeister
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 19:41
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Heinz Guderian I would say was well up there. He knew how to get the job done |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 18:18
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Rommel is indeed one of the keyes why the german forces were so tough and great....or atleast i think so ------------- |
Posted By: Sudaka
Date Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 02:03
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Guderian couse german blitzkrieg is his signature Manstein: the best, see counterattack at jarkov Heinrici , the only german mastered in defense wavell (a forgotten one, defeated by romel, but he swap italians whit a ridicoulous force) Mannerhein: the finish, remenber the winter war: he only had 9 divicion agains 150, 60 planes agains 3000 thousands, and 6 tanks agains 5000. they manage to resist and the pull back the rusians. He lost end the end but he couse 200 000 deaths to russians. A man to take care. wingate: the most original general i think i ever see, take a look at chiindits forces and u see the american air cavalry idea ------------- Not yet mein friend, not yet |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 03:39
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So many of them: ...Zhukov, Konev, Rommel, Guderian, Patton, McArthur, Eisenhover, Monty... ...and what about Yamamoto? |
Posted By: Demetrios
Date Posted: 20-Nov-2004 at 16:35
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Where is Von Manstein , the battle of karkov is simply a masterpiece of tactic. He beat severly russian's armies which outnumbered him 6:1. At this time german armies were retreating. Only hitler's pride forced them to stay and fight.
so having no choice i vote for Romel........of course |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 08:41
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i agree with all the people who said manstein because Germany did have all the best generals.....almost hands down...........also rommel is great ------------- |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2004 at 04:30
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German generals:Rommel,Guderian,Erich Fon Manstein Soviet Generals:Zukov,Konief ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 02:45
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Where is Zhukov??? ZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukovZhukov! ------------- |
Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 02:23
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as far as success goes....I ddidn't vote for Rommel. He lost most of
his battles after his defeat in nroth Africa...I voted for Patton. however...I have the upmost respect for him because he saw what Hitler was doing and knew it to be wrong. Rommel was involved in the plot to assassinate Hitler. He was a true Patriot and saw the evils of Hiter and risked his life to stop him. Germany had some of the best Generals......but unfortunatley for them Hitler failed to listen on many occasions. ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 12:55
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Not too sure why Rommel joined the plot against Hitler. Possibly it was petty because he wasn't given the command he wanted, or more general because of the bad tactics Hitler was forcing upon the army. Maybe he even only jumped on the bandwagon because he thought it would succeed and didn't want to be left out if it did. One thing for sure, he didn't support it because he objected to any attrocities. Also Rommel was one of Hitler's most passionate supporters from the army, which is why Hitler championed him so much as the national hero. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 14:54
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Rommel was also NOT a nazi. He never was, and he despised much of the
Nazi Party. Rommel also said that this was a war that Germany could not
win. He said that from the beginning. He saw that the end was getting close and that Hitler would ruin all of Germany. He decided to aid in the plot so that he could gain command and then surrender. There was no doubt in Rommel's mind that Germany was going to lose. ------------- |
Posted By: Slickmeister
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 15:07
| Interesting, I have not heard that one b4 |
Posted By: capcartoonist
Date Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 09:25
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Rommel was defeated in North Africa by his inability to understand the importance of logistics. The best general? For strategy, probably Von Manstein. Tactically, Heinz Guderian or Herman Balck.
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Posted By: capcartoonist
Date Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 09:25
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Ah, someone mentioned Heinrici. Yes, he was very good on the defense. ------------- Cap |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 06:19
| Rommel only lost because Hitler refused to give him the amount of troops he needed. Hitler sent them away to Russia as that battle was more important to him. Rommel still did really well for sum1 with a very limited amount of tanks and troops....... |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:02
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He was a Prussian aristocrat, none were big Nazi's. However he was a devout admirer of Hitler's. He worked closely with Hitler during the early years of the war, was seen beside him and sucked up to him more than any other German general, he accompanied Hitler to Sudetenland in October 1938 and then into Prague in March 1939. He also didn't start doubting victory till 1942. Not so angelic? ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:21
he was not of Prussian aristocracy, von Manstein was but not him. he also did not liked Hitler as said, but he didn't wanted to join resisstance when offered, but on the bombing plot of 20th july 1944 he would have opened the front for the allies to enter paris without resisstance, however he has been replaced shortly before. he was therefore neither pro nor anti hitler, he was just a guy takign opportunities.... ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 19:42
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Perhaps we should all start referring to him as St Erwin from now on. Now that's sorted out lets talk about another topic, may I suggest "Himler, wot a nice guy."
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Posted By: J.M.Finegold
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 22:14
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As
others have already said - I vote for Erich von Manstein. I mean,
how can you go for anyone else? I am a big historian, and fan, of
von Manstein, and if any of you wish to familiarize yourself more with
him be sure to read his memoirs, Lost Victories - you can
purchase it on Amazon. In any case, should I summarize his accomplisments? ----- During the Polish Campaign his Panzers rolled into Warsaw, where he found out that tanks and street battles don't go together. However, his genius truly flared when the remainders of the Polish Army which ad been overrung in the West had moved east to threaten the German Werhmacht from the rear. Erich von Manstein quickly disengaged from the Warsaw suburbs and, along with other German units, quickly and effectively sorrounded this Polish Army and finished it off - which turned out to be the gravest debacle for Poland in the campaign. His next largest achievement was the creation of Fall Gelb. Many people aren't aware that the invasion plan for France was written by von Manstein. During his operations towards Leningrad his 56th Motorized Corps was able to sorround and destroy the 2nd Shock Army (which would be destroyed again near Mosnoi Bor). He was then transferred to the Moscow Front, where he did relatively nothing, and then transferred back to Leningrad, where again he did not have the time to do anything, and finally he was given a command in the Crimea. In early 1942 he captured Sevastapol (in which he suffered heavy casualties), and then he did relatively little until he was given command of Army Group Don in late 1942. In what I consider his next work of genius he opened up on the Soviets and launched Operation Winter Tempest - he reached within 30 kilometers of the Stalingrad kessel, however, due to a lack of cooperation from von Paulus, who refused to break out, he was forced to cancel the operation and recall his men. In Febuary 1943 Stalingrad surrendered creating quite the situation as the Soviet armies turned to fight Manstein's Army Group South. However, in March 1943 he preformed his greatest deed and captured Kharkov using the 2nd SS Panzer Korp, and thereafter he led the attack into the Kursk salient, beginning July 6th, 1943, and reached the farthest. After the Kursk defeat - in which he was a proponent of continuing the operation - he fought a genius defense in the Ukraine, until early 1944, when Hitler sacked him - and consequently Hitler lost the war for himself..although Hitler lost the war forhimself in 1933, when he became chancellor of Germany. In this short, and very vague, history of Manstein I conclude, that I believe Manstein was the greatest general during the Second World War. No other general can compare to him. ------------- |