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    Posted: 10-Jul-2005 at 14:35
Originally posted by ill_teknique


well actually the last three hundred years and many of the theories that have been acredited to european scholars inthe enlightenment hd been perfected by islamic schoalrs centuries earlier.  furthermore, if it was not for the contribution of the islamic world up to that point the last three hundred years would not have been possibe.  theres a origin to the point B and thats A, the islamic world contrbuted more to western civliziation than rome and greece, greece was overemphazised because they hostile to the islamic world.


While it is true that the Arabs had achieved and perfected the 'enlightment' you mention centuries earlier than the European scholars achieved Renaissance, you seem to miss one very important fact.
The Arabs knowledge was based on Hellinic texts and it is actually thanks to the Arabic translations of the Hellinic texts, that the Europeans managed to obtain this knowledge.

It would be interesting if you'd explained :
"greece was overemphazised because they hostile to the islamic world."



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Nicely put.
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Originally posted by ill_teknique

Greece was overemphazised because they hostile to the islamic world.

Modern Greece is hardly overemphasised. And how could ancient Greece, which is the culture that gets the credit, possibly have been hostile to Islam, which didn't exist?
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The world of the east, as it existed quite earlier than Greece or Rome, and having developed glorious civilisations, which are well known and need not be named here, has contributed enormously to the world knowledge, science and thinking. These contributions cannot be attributed to or identified with the islamic world, because it is a very recent establishment. Undoubtedly there is contribution by the islamic world but let's not exaggerate.
I personally have the utmost respect for the islamic populace on earth and I have absolutely no interest in diminuting their undoubtedly major influence to either the social structure or phinlosophical orientation of large regions of the world.

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Originally posted by ill_teknique

Originally posted by Thracian

"the biggest contribution is from the islamic world from science to technology."

 

wat about wat europe did in the past 500 years



 theres a origin to the point B and thats A, the islamic world contrbuted more to western civliziation than rome and greece, greece was overemphazised because they hostile to the islamic world.

Islamic world contributed more than Greece and Rome? Most of all they contributed was just copies of works that were from Greeks and Romans..
http://theforgotten.org/intro.html
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"reason"? I'm sure many civilizations had reason. DIdnt the Egyptians or the Carthaginians perfect glass windows? I mean, you don't think other civilizations had windows? Unless you mean special windows..


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Originally posted by Thracian

"the biggest contribution is from the islamic world from science to technology."

 

wat about wat europe did in the past 500 years



well actually the last three hundred years and many of the theories that have been acredited to european scholars inthe enlightenment hd been perfected by islamic schoalrs centuries earlier.  furthermore, if it was not for the contribution of the islamic world up to that point the last three hundred years would not have been possibe.  theres a origin to the point B and thats A, the islamic world contrbuted more to western civliziation than rome and greece, greece was overemphazised because they hostile to the islamic world.
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"the biggest contribution is from the islamic world from science to technology."

 

wat about wat europe did in the past 500 years
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"reason"? I'm sure many civilizations had reason. DIdnt the Egyptians or the Carthaginians perfect glass windows? I mean, you don't think other civilizations had windows? Unless you mean special windows..
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the biggest contribution is from the islamic world from science to technology.

glasses were first invented there, new types of windows, the concept of "reason", etc etc

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/Introl1.html

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/Introl3.html
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What was it I read in my school days written on the men's room stall wall?

Interviewer: "Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization?"

Gandhi: "I think it would be a good idea..."

On the same wall (in a different hand):

"Jesus Saves--Moses Invests--Allah gives it away"

When you take all the trappings of culture--that is to say technology and the products of our vivid imaginations, I think there is very little civilization there.  Honestly, considering that with the process of creating useful tools, that we can also make industrialized death, I keep wonder just what civilization actually is. 

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Being always willing to help:

http://www.turkishcook.com/food-recipes/Tulumba_tatlisi.shtm l



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That's the small ones. There are big ones too
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This is tulumba
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what is Tulumba?

 
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Hehehe, why is it that most philosophical conversations turn to food at some point?
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He said "I like tulumba dessert more"...
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Originally posted by Jagatai Khan

ben tulumba tatlsn daha ok seviyom

 

english please and the reasons are obvious

at least provide transilations

 
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I read something about tulumba here. Probably another alimentary suggestion.
Please translate....
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ben tulumba tatlsn daha ok seviyom
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