QuoteReplyTopic: Dosanes, a pre-Alexander western conqueror?! Posted: 30-Jul-2013 at 17:36
I had talked about it in this thread: Greek presence in Iran since 2nd millenium B.C., as I said there, according to ancient Assyrian sources a king of Saparda/Sparta named Dusanni had conquered the northern and eastern lands of Assyria and had become a serious rival of the Assyrian empire.
As you read here about Dosanes/Dorsanes: The later Greeks believed that he was their own hero, who had visited India, and related that in India he became the father of many sons and daughters by Pandaea, and the ancestral hero of the Indian kings (Arrian, Ind. 8, 9; Diod. ii. 39, xvii. 85, 96; Philostr. Vit. Apoll. iii. 46)
But today I read from a book that the actual name of this king could be Ardusanni and he was probably the same Ardysus II of Lydia who conquered some Greek cities in the seventh century BC, according to ancient Greek sources. It is important to mention that Lydia was called Sparda in the Old Persian texts.
Anyway the presence of Greeks or Lydians in the west and north of Iran can show that there were more cultural relations between western and eastern Indo-European peoples.
It would definitely make more sense if the Lydians were the ones in question rather than the Spartans (What?!). But still, it is interesting to read about this because Lydia was still relatively far from Assyria, considering what close and far were like back in the 7th century BCE. Do the sources say what other lands they conquered other than the northern territories of the Assyrians?
what do you mean with western and eastern IE? I couldn't find any certain defination and also I see northern IE. Is it like that? Blue is west one and red is east, but Lydians are Anatolians as their language, so Anatolian branch of IE is in which side?
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
It would definitely make more sense if the Lydians were the ones in question rather than the Spartans (What?!). But still, it is interesting to read about this because Lydia was still relatively far from Assyria, considering what close and far were like back in the 7th century BCE. Do the sources say what other lands they conquered other than the northern territories of the Assyrians?
Assyrians and Lydians are not too far. They were neighbour
but "taking eastern lands of Assyria", this seems impossible. North is ok but east??? What about Urartu. They are quite suitable for taking Assyrians north&east land. Region is full of mountains like native Urartu homeland.
It would definitely make more sense if the Lydians were the ones in question rather than the Spartans (What?!). But still, it is interesting to read about this because Lydia was still relatively far from Assyria, considering what close and far were like back in the 7th century BCE. Do the sources say what other lands they conquered other than the northern territories of the Assyrians?
They mostly talk about the eastern lands of Assyria rather than the northern ones, in fact cities, like Karibtu and Kilman, which were threatened by Dusanni of Saparda were located at the east of the Assyrian empire.
Sepharad, or Sefarad, or Sfard, is a biblical place name of uncertain location. It is mentioned only once in the Bible, in the Book of ObadiahObadiah 1:20. There are, however, Old Persian inscriptions that refer to two places called Saparda (alternative reading: Sparda): one area in Media and another in Asia Minor. It is speculated that Sepharad could have been Sardis, whose native Lydian name is Sfard.
what do you mean with western and eastern IE? I couldn't find any certain defination and also I see northern IE. Is it like that? Blue is west one and red is east, but Lydians are Anatolians as their language, so Anatolian branch of IE is in which side?
There is a Centum/Satem division of the Indo-European Languages, your map partly shows it, of course Tocharian is also a Centum language, like Celtic, Italic and Greek langauges.
By western and eastern Indo-European peoples I meant the people who lived geographically in the east and the west, from the ancient times these two peoples had been separated by some non-Indo-Europeans, such as Semitic, Hurro-Urartian and Caucasian peoples.
There is a Centum/Satem division of the Indo-European Languages, your map partly shows it, of course Tocharian is also a Centum language, like Celtic, Italic and Greek langauges.
By western and eastern Indo-European peoples I meant the people who lived geographically in the east and the west, from the ancient times these two peoples had been separated by some non-Indo-Europeans, such as Semitic, Hurro-Urartian and Caucasian peoples.
But Heredotus put all Asian in one side so Lydians should be in Eastern group for him
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