Notice: This is the official website of the All Empires History Community (Reg. 10 Feb 2002)

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Not Turkish Spring

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
Author
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Not Turkish Spring
    Posted: 01-Jun-2013 at 10:42
First of all please don't call what is happening in Turkey as Turkish Spring or don't give stupid flower's name. They were excellent  creative names for own event, but doing samething for every protest is unpleasent.

The spark of this event is here; Gezi Parkı(something like Trip Park)


It is near the main square of Istanbul


Goverment is planing to built actually rebuilt old Ottoman Barracks so after the project, it looks like this



However it is a little bit symbol against oppressive goverment.


The main statue of Istanbul is behind (1.06.2013)



Edited by Ollios - 01-Jun-2013 at 10:45
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2013 at 14:29
Yesterday Night from BBC

Al Jazeera


CNN


My pictures, I went there after polices left the area.

Bizim means Ours, so "Istanbul-Bizantion(Byzantion)-Kostantinopol(Constantinople) is Ours"





Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 17086
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 02:23
It looks like Turkish summer.Very hot indeed.
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 02:55
Originally posted by medenaywe

It looks like Turkish summer.Very hot indeed.

LoL LOL
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is not new.

On this May 1, Turkish goverment blocked Taksim Square for protest, same thing happened
 

Also historical cinema Emek fall in piece to rebuilt on top of a new mall. There was a protest in that time(this april), in same place too.


But of course this time is bigger.

Back to Top
yomud View Drop Down
Baron
Baron
Avatar
Inactive

Joined: 04-Oct-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 399
  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 04:39
god damn .  in iran news take this as turkish islamic awakening and turkey's paiement for syria  in russia they took it as socialism awakening against usa capitalism lol these all about a some trees ???
yomud are free people
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 07:50
Originally posted by yomud

god damn .  in iran news take this as turkish islamic awakening and turkey's paiement for syria  in russia they took it as socialism awakening against usa capitalism lol these all about a some trees ???

It is not islamic awakening, I saw many people who toasting beer to honour of Erdoğan but Turkish policy of Syria and Capitalism (shopping mall) can be small reason. Obviously, it is not about just trees. It is reaction against goverment. As I told before there were several protests in this spring.

Erdoğan is acting like an selected Sultan (in his case mostly HalifeBig smile) till next election. Of course he is not a devil. He did something good. In his period, I think the first time kurds feel like equal citizens. He took the power in army but give it to his police who can be control easily by his local men also construction is effective main branch which helps his islamic middle class. he uses it to help his supporters

He is doing good or bad in his dictatoric ways like in early republic period (Ataturk and Inonu also can be censurable). He did not argue anything. Even now he is telling "if you are 100.000 people in there, he can find 1 million. Don't force us."

*Third Brigde and third airport is starting on Istanbul Blacksea coast which will help the city develop to there. These areas are only large green zones of Istanbul

*Nuclear plants is starting to built in Turkey, but there is no one who wants it.

*Also strict Sweden alcohol lay is now in our country. As you can guess, Turkey is in depht about alcohol consumption in Europe, but accoding to him, alcohol is problem in Turkey.

We didn't talk those issues. We have election dam(10%) so they got 50% of votes but they have 327 parliamenter(total is 550).They have enough power to pass all own laws and president was the old priminister of same party. That's why he lets all law pass.


Edited by Ollios - 02-Jun-2013 at 16:13
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 16:19
Istanbul is still hot. I have just been in local protest in my neighbour (my photos)

Gezi Park



Taksim Statue





Edited by Ollios - 02-Jun-2013 at 16:19
Back to Top
yomud View Drop Down
Baron
Baron
Avatar
Inactive

Joined: 04-Oct-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 399
  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2013 at 17:54
im truly worrying about turke this not good it's something like revolution i heard they cuts electricity in Ankara riots get extremely dangerous whats going on ?? i hope this won't ruin my age dream

u should stay away from communist  they are not a people who care for people or country


i think your rivals are celebrating  for this

http://rt.com/news/taksim-protest-erdogan-marauders-133/

http://rt.com/news/turkey-protest-erdogan-istanbul-131/

http://rt.com/op-edge/almond-turkey-protest-taksim-119/

http://rt.com/usa/gezi-zuccotti-occupy-turkey-118/

http://rt.com/news/turkey-protests-second-day-114/

http://rt.com/news/turkey-clashes-istanbul-park-067/

i think we need more clear view truly what's happening there ?? turkey is a country with long standing regimes like ottomen and ataturk's regime  if this republice fall to revolution  than ataturk's work will be for nothing  no other country in middle east have long standing regime like turkey i hop u people knowing what u are doing


Edited by yomud - 02-Jun-2013 at 18:10
yomud are free people
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 03:00
Originally posted by yomud

im truly worrying about turke this not good it's something like revolution i heard they cuts electricity in Ankara riots get extremely dangerous whats going on ?? i hope this won't ruin my age dream

Yes, Ankara situation is critical. You are planing to go university in Ankara, aren't you? Big smile

Originally posted by yomud

u should stay away from communist  they are not a people who care for people or country 

Capitalism comes from word capital which can be money or goods but communism comes from word community, society, public, so in philosophic perspective, it is not possible. If someone who doesn't care people, can't be communist. During the cold war, USA has already plant seeds of anti-communism in Turkey and Russia's act like wanted land from Turkey, created huge communism barrier in Turkey. They are small group in Turkey

Originally posted by yomud

if this republice fall to revolution  than ataturk's work will be for nothing  no other country in middle east have long standing regime like turkey i hop u people knowing what u are doing 

I am sorry to hear that. I suggest you to look also other sources about the issue. Maybe you can change your mind. This is not a protest against Atatürk's regime. Contrarily, to protect it against possible oppressive islamic regime. One of the famous slogal is "We are solider of Mustafa Kemal(this is name of the Atatürk)" but I don't like it. The sound of solider is a little bit militarist, but I understood you. You know just a islamic revolution, so revolution is creepy for you.

Femen





Edited by Ollios - 03-Jun-2013 at 03:03
Back to Top
Cyrus Shahmiri View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
King of Kings

Joined: 07-Aug-2004
Location: Iran
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6240
  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 06:41
It seems there is a virus in the region, it began 4 years ago in Iran and will probably come back here soon, I think it can be called a fight between Islamists and anti-Islammists!
 
CNN: War-torn Syria issues travel warning against Turkey: Syria, the country where a bloody civil war has killed about 80,000 people, is advising its citizens to avoid visiting neighboring Turkey. LOL
Back to Top
red clay View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Tomato Master Emeritus

Joined: 14-Jan-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10226
  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 10:47
I'm going to react to this as about 60% of the adult male population will.
 
How will this affect the European Basketball Championship?Big smile
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Back to Top
TheAlaniDragonRising View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Spam Fighter

Joined: 09-May-2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6099
  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 10:51
Originally posted by red clay

I'm going to react to this as about 60% of the adult male population will.
 
How will this affect the European Basketball Championship?Big smile

There's a European Basketball Championship?
What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
Back to Top
red clay View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Tomato Master Emeritus

Joined: 14-Jan-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10226
  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 11:51
Your joking, right?
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Back to Top
yomud View Drop Down
Baron
Baron
Avatar
Inactive

Joined: 04-Oct-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 399
  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 12:53
Yes, Ankara situation is critical. You are planing to go university in Ankara, aren't you? 
well i'm long time planning for "age "of izmir and spend long time in ankara for preparation for exam and i can say ankara is my second home and i know it better than tehran Big smile and my sister get house in ayranci some where between usa embassy and atakule
Capitalism comes from word capital which can be money or goods but communism comes from word community, society, public, so in philosophic perspective, it is not possible. If someone who doesn't care people, can't be communist. During the cold war, USA has already plant seeds of anti-communism in Turkey and Russia's act like wanted land from Turkey, created huge communism barrier in Turkey. They are small group in Turkey
well every time when i remmeber what communist have done in turkmenistan and iran make me sick of them

I am sorry to hear that. I suggest you to look also other sources about the issue. Maybe you can change your mind. This is not a protest against Atatürk's regime. Contrarily, to protect it against possible oppressive islamic regime. One of the famous slogal is "We are solider of Mustafa Kemal(this is name of the Atatürk)" but I don't like it. The sound of solider is a little bit militarist, but I understood you. You know just a islamic revolution, so revolution is creepy for you.
yea i see islamic revolution but revolution is a revolution this means every body work for one end (overthrowing shah) and after revolution people's we turn on each other and everyone  demand his own demands u know ethnic wants federalism islamic people want islamic gov
communist want a communist country and surly friendship with russia and AND very soon civil war begins and one of the those movements will win the others and they will turn the turkey in what every way they like if u not becarefull everything well be out of control very fast

i have 1 question and i want u answer me with honestly how much people truly hate usa ?? and how much people hate the russia ??


Edited by yomud - 03-Jun-2013 at 13:03
yomud are free people
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 14:48
Originally posted by yomud


i have 1 question and i want u answer me with honestly how much people truly hate usa ?? and how much people hate the russia ??

Today: 

I can not say number. Giving number is impossible and issue is so changeable. For example during the last USA president Bush time. There is no one who likes the USA or after the Hood Event. USA popularity made his depth. However Obama has positive impact. 

Russian-Turkey relation is more complicated. Turkey is in US group, but Russians are the second biggest turist group in Turkey, and they are important gas provider for Turkey. Turkey is Russian food supplier and partner in construction  also Turkish possible impact in Central Asia and Bosphorus are other factors. Because of this complex structure, countries don't fight directly, so tension doesn't go up too much.

I remember many burning USA flag case, but not Russian. This is also about after the 1991, Russia have returned his inside untill Putin and didn't try to change the world. By contrastly, USA was/is super power and tried/is trying to get shape the world.

Anti-americanism is more popular than russophobia. However Turks still choose USA instead of Russia, if they have to.


Back to Top
TheAlaniDragonRising View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Spam Fighter

Joined: 09-May-2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6099
  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2013 at 17:36
Originally posted by red clay

Your joking, right?

Yes, red, I'm joking. Big smile
What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 17086
  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 06:55
They hit target with tomatoes and eggs there!Great Basketball tournament.
Back to Top
yomud View Drop Down
Baron
Baron
Avatar
Inactive

Joined: 04-Oct-2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 399
  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 08:51
Originally posted by Ollios

Anti-americanism is more popular than russophobia. However Turks still choose USA instead of Russia, if they have to.
well if u look around you'll see your enemies surround u iran and syria are ally of russia and anti americanism is strong in iraq they are working with russia very soon afghanistan wil fall to russia or china this is not good time to seen weaken  for alter of democracy in middle east . it's all about strategically points like strait of hormuz strait of istanbul and suez canal evey one who has turkey iran and egypt in his side will rule the world russians are waiting for EU to kick greek out than they will have greek too this  is their plan and if turkey is on revolution status than they will hardly work for overthrowing the regime

tell me what do u thing about turkey in eurasian union ?? well i can guess u will say we are nato member we are in american side bela bela ... iran was ally of amercia wasn't it ??? what's happen after revolution ?? there is no need for majorety russian supporter maybe 20% is more than enough what they need is angry ati american mob 

eurasian union have 3 stage

stage 1 putin will try to recreate the soviet union


estonia latvia lithuania are far for their grasp since yulia tymoshenko in jail ukraine remain in russian side and if they dont putin make clear that he will take
eastren ukraine and cramian since he prove to all ex-soviets that he will get what he want and nato/un are nothing he made georgia example for all of us armenia belaruss ad kazakhistan are with russia they will force turkmenistan to join them azerbajan is nothing with out turkey

stage 2 holding 
strategically country  like turkey iran egypt well iran is already  in russian side . egypt was in russian side in the time of nasir and they will work onnasir memory to regain power there since america win islamic mohammad morsi support they will aside with seculars this will make usa as evil islamic supporter

and turkey as u said Anti-americanism is more popular than russophobia well i read in internet every year 200.000 russian women are merrying with  turkish men i call it real national security problem why they are focusing on turkey ?? there is no ethnic who merry in this huge size with russians but the turks  EU member are strongly opposed to let the turkey enter the EU and EU economy problem has made so many question among the turks that why they should enter the place which they are not welcomed and have weak economy with energy problem am i not right ??? while  eurasian union don't have economy problem and much friendly to the turks while they have iran iraq syria and turkmenistan (by force ) in their side which guarantee your country's energy

they will turn your pan turkism ideology against you we know pan turkism is a problem to russian but in these days if u check the russian website u will see how they defend this !!!! they are keep saying turkey's place in among us among rest of the turks  not westerns  and after turkey fall to a

revolution (as iran did ) they will turn turkey to a anti westren country and  use your neo-ottomanism to gain power among the arabs as far as i see that fool obama didn't done anything about it expat getting close tide with kurds and armenians which increase the hatred from america among the turks and leaving billions worth equipment and guns in afghanistan

very soon we ill be in middle of new cold war but in this cw russians will have upper hand  and this will began if tukey side with russians

stage 3 is global status of
eurasian union they will find ally in latin american countrys  india south africa vietnam malasya they are making their own global bank in bric russians will rule on EU and middle east while they have already unleashed their chine dog on usa economy

well with the thing the russians have done to us i dont thing this will be good for us the asaid with them in if turkmenistan and turkey join with russian than we will become taget for west this is not good for us at all



tell me in turkey what people's think anout russia and
eurasian union ?? i advise u to read this book "new great game blood and oil "

Edited by yomud - 04-Jun-2013 at 08:59
yomud are free people
Back to Top
Ollios View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 22-Feb-2011
Location: Diyar-ı Rum
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1130
  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 11:28
Originally posted by yomud

tell me in turkey what people's think anout russia and eurasian union ?? i advise u to read this book "new great game blood and oil "

People get angry of Europe Union policy about Turkey, but still Shanghai Cooperation Organisation is more important than Eurasian Union. Turkish efforts are just on this economical way, not political

"Turkey Makes It Official With SCO"(April 2013)




Back to Top
red clay View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Tomato Master Emeritus

Joined: 14-Jan-2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10226
  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2013 at 16:38
Everyone hates the USA.  It's the most popular world wide pastime.  We usually accept it and go on with our own thing.
 
I wonder, what would things be like if suddenly we no longer accepted this crap gracefully, and really started hating back, to the degree and intensity level we are despised.  No health outreach programs for Underdeveloped countries, no participation in the UN, We provide most of the funding for it, but it's really just a hangout for an "old boy's" network for USA haters.  Get out and put the money we waste on people who just turn around and backstab us, back into the US.
 
Actually, why not cancel all foreign aid entirely.  It's our tax money, we can put it to much better use than propping up Despotic governments whose people don't give a damn about us anyway.
 
While we're at it, let's withdraw all Naval units back to US waters.  You got pirates? Take care of them yourselves, or get the Russians out there and let them spend Billions and get spit on for it.
 
Withdraw all US troops now on foreign soil and their equipment, leave nothing behind.  You want weapons and technology?  Pay for it, just like we do.
 
Our Arms and Technology programs are so much in advance of everyone else, we could cut the Defense budget in half, and coast, for a very long time.  Putting 100's of Billions back into the budget would stabilize the economy in a heartbeat.
 
Islamo Terrorists are trying to take over your country? Tsk Tsk!  Call Germany, or China or....Anyone but the US.
 
Do you know what's worse than hatred?  Indifference!  And if you push us enough, that's what you'll get.
 
We put the lives of our son's and daughters on the line, expend trillions in treasure and get crapped on in return, stick it! let some one else do it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a [Free Express Edition]
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.