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Topic: ' Heavenly manna ' = sprouted grain? Help me - I w Posted: 14-Jan-2014 at 18:20 |
I would consider that mushrooms were the manna!
They do appear "overnight!"
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Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 19:44 |
The bible allows the consumption of certain types of bug: grasshoppers, crickets and locusts. When fried they apparently taste similar to prawns
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Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 16:04 |
Well it might be either and or....evidence appears solid for both. I ate many a bug whole but never took the time to wait for secretions...had other problems....so I'm no help there...lichens and fungus is ok... ate them and ferns-weeds-cactus by the pounds....fills ya up. Gives a bit of indegestion and the crappers fer a few hours but overall not bad. But as Nick notes: ''but to starving refugees it would be the sweetest thing they tasted for weeks'' Same applys for RANGERS in training and LRRP's and dismounted Cav types on recon. I am starting to tear up just remembering.
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Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 15:41 |
With what the lichen hypothesis is better fitting to the biblical description than the tamarick juice one?
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Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 01:00 |
About mutualism in lichen: Every lichen species is part fungus. Usually the other species
is a photosynthesizing alga, but sometimes it can be a photosynthesizing
bacterium known as a cyanobacterium. Sometimes all three kinds of
organisms are found in one lichen. The above drawing gives an idea of what fungal hyphae
wrapping around alga cells might look like at the microscopic level. Is it good for food:some are poisons also! http://www.unomaha.edu/lichens/Bio%204350%20PDF/Uses%20of%20Lichens.pdf
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Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 21:33 |
Originally posted by Don Quixote
That's interesting, I didn't know that, thanks. Hos does the lichen taste? - because manna was supposed to taste like honey cake, and to get with worms if staying overnight.
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Apparently it tastes bitter, but to starving refugees it would be the sweetest thing they tasted for weeks
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Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 14:33 |
Lichen does not comes from heaven.Big sea storms sometimes create rains of fish on dry land but...Real point is that it was God's help!Heaven is pointed even in name MaNNa(PaMaNNa has to be in original!?!). Don can check it.She knows Ancient Greek.
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Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 01:09 |
That's interesting, I didn't know that, thanks. Hos does the lichen taste? - because manna was supposed to taste like honey cake, and to get with worms if staying overnight.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:24 |
It depends if there are such lichens in Sinai. I root for the tamarisk juice because it's still there and used in pretty much the same way as I suppose it was in Biblical times - I have a lost of respect for customs that can be followed to contemporary times.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:15 |
What if manna was a type of lichen? In Scandinavia it is used as fodder for livestock
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 23:37 |
AFAIK, manna is the juice/resin of the bush Tamarix Gallica /Tamarix mannifera/when pricked by an insect, /Coccus manniparus/, and it's still collected by women in the Sinai, in the morning, before the ants eat it, it's almost pure sugar. In Arabic it's called "mann es-samma"="heavenly manna". "...Bedouns can collect 4 pounds per head, in the morning that they knead into puree; it keeps indefinitely and it's sweet and nutritious..." http://books.google.com/books?id=eD6IVllMx_YC&pg=PA383&lpg=PA383&dq=mann+es-sama+still+collected+now&source=bl&ots=BIKzK0Angi&sig=OKdRLzKrzArZn_oa2AbPmnajecY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TD-KT4vhLuWniQKy89zZCw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mann%20es-sama%20still%20collected%20now&f=falseThe reference in the bible that it putrefied and bred worms if left overnight was reference to the the ants and insects coming and eating it. And the amount that can be collected is not 'scanty' as the article says, 4 pound a person is quite an amount. The main objection against the wheat idea is that whatever manna was, it was supposed to be collected in the wild, not grown, sprouted, and etc - this is not a ground for miracle /unexplained event/ but a result of conscious human effort. The Bible didn't say they were carrying the manna with them, and making it themselves - they collected some naturally found food resource, not wheat they had to grow and sprout themselves. So, it doesn't fit at all, IMHO.
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 21:10 |
If manna was just wheat growing in the desert, why were the Israelites starving? It doesn't make sense
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Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 02:27 |
PaMaNNa =From Heaven Support Mother's,offers!It could be nothing and everything as you can see in article.For me,spiritual support is first one,cause of influence on future believers:Trust The God cause He feeds his believers! P.S. Heavenly support Mother's,offers!PaMaNNa!
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Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 00:28 |
I was working on that last evening :-) take a look in updated article http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#manna_resin
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Posted: 27-Jan-2012 at 19:42 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by vasnas
give me a link to this version... I did not find this before
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Here's the requested link. It is believed manna was the sugary secretions from insects like aphids or cicadas. The rising sun evaporated the liquid, leaving a frost-like covering on the ground Studies in ancient technology
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What I found was slightly different, but almost the same, Nick.
There are two common skeptical theories regarding the nature of this “manna.” Some identify the “manna” as either a “secretion” from the tamarisk tree. Others believe it was the result of the “excretions” from two species of insects in the Sinai region, that are deposited on the tree |
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Posted: 27-Jan-2012 at 19:20 |
Originally posted by vasnas
give me a link to this version... I did not find this before
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Here's the requested link. It is believed manna was the sugary secretions from insects like aphids or cicadas. The rising sun evaporated the liquid, leaving a frost-like covering on the ground Studies in ancient technology
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Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 19:58 |
I've found something even more interesting: Manna might have been some sort of psychadelic substance Mystery of Manna
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Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 23:19 |
give me a link to this version... I did not find this before
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