' Heavenly manna ' = sprouted grain? Help me - I w
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Topic: ' Heavenly manna ' = sprouted grain? Help me - I w
Posted By: vasnas
Subject: ' Heavenly manna ' = sprouted grain? Help me - I w
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 16:24
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I'm an author of this article. It's translated for you and the vast English-speaking world. There are inserts from the book of leading Israeli archeologists says that the Bible did not occur in their earth. I beg you find weak points, give new idea, and check grammar ... Short: Investigating> 50 bibles of different times and nations, I have found that manna is a sprouted grain - malt. Article: http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#menu - http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#menu Translation in progress ... :-) Thanks for attention and help! Sasha Poltavsky |
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 16:29
| Interesting link you post here.Will try to help you about this!I am reading it now!Regards. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 16:41
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Originals of biblical texts have not reached our times. Initially they
were made and rewrited without use of letters of vowel sounds, for
example - xmpl that later caused errors at alternate vowels, not to
mention errors at rewritings or deliberate distortion of the text. I like this and I can prove it.Cause original vowels had had 8 possible positions in languages:Hebrew&"Slavic"&"Arabic".A,E,I,O,U,b('),OO,EE....(') -push air trough your nose without saying nothing!  |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 16:43
As i can see we all belong to those people: we have still used same syllables in our languages!Lot of those were distorted by Latin alphabet or in purpose. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 17:18
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Personally I believe that,MaNNa means that God relieved them from troubles,than gave them anything! Yes in my language it means:From support mother's,offers.It was relief from troubles not food! We use this word for lack of something,feature's failure... |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 19:21
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Manna is a Hebrew word meaning "what is it?" As you all know, it mysteriously appeared (apparently due to a miracle) when the Israelites ran out of food. Some believe it was a type of honeydew secreted by insects, or a desert lichen
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Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 00:26
| I wrote in article that this is nonsense " believe it was a type of honeydew secreted by insects, or a desert lichen" |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 03:08
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It is material nothing!God relieved their problems&sufferings.It was his presence! ex.1"Look at this beautiful girl,she is perfection on earth's surface.Find her a manna!"(Find her spiritual support!  )ex.2.After all i have done for you,serving&breeding you,you are finding me a manna!(Mother's are spiritual support,all around the world for their children) Here we still use it in this context"It is non material but spiritual support from someone" and God gave them:Couragness,Faith,Strength,Religious support,Trust..etc...It was God's spiritual support and your article is close to that,logically.Here this word sounds with 2 "A" between m and n. It is interesting fact that we use it in context that support comes from sky&heaven:Someone hits(manna me) me in the head!. |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 03:10
| Your answer is nothing for me... :-) |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 03:18
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Your article means something to me!That's all I can do!Maybe someone else can do it better here. Regards,Vasnas! |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 15:34
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Don't forget Mannaeans (Akkadian Mannai), the ancient land of Manna was in Iran's Azarbaijan province which is said to be the Garden of Eden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden#Iran.27s_Azarbaijan_province - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden#Iran.27s_Azarbaijan_province Of course it is said Manna has been mentioned as Minnith in the bible, where we read: "Judah and the land of Israel were your clients; they traded wheat from Minnith, millet, honey, olive oil, and balm for your merchandise." (Ezekiel 27:17) ------------- 
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2012 at 19:27
Maybe you can explain why it's "nonsense"? Besides being more nutritious than meat, insects like the locust are kosher ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 00:32
my article answers |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 00:34
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 05:21
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Words of God=manna=spiritual support for people,non material food!There was a Moses among them,he spoke The words of God that had fed them!It is a possible solution of this Exodus's chapter. P.S. Is original script in your hands,Vasnas?Is in front of Mannas,Pa?PaMaNNa?From Sky support mother's, offers!(God?) |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 06:28
| I have mentioned your version in my article too! |
Posted By: Fula
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 07:15
| In the Intro I dont think you should say Ramses...Nobody truly knows who the Pharoah was at the time |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 07:49
| That's a name of city :-) |
Posted By: Fula
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 08:01
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^^Oh wow I clearly miss read...thanks for correction |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 08:04
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You mean Pi-Ramesses.It is here:(beneath the earth's soil) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantir - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantir here is map:(this was once one of mouth's of Nile) http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/qantir.htm - http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/qantir.htm |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 08:55
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I did use King James Version ex12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 14:34
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SuKoTH=From Hunger Table,dreams arrow!They stopped cause of hunger as it looks!It looks that they had dreamed death of arrow&spear more than death of hunger.Was it possible that part of people of Moses had turned back right in pharaoh arms&spears&arrows?Do not take it serious Vasnas but if phonetic is right,it is right meaning! |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 14:39
| At Sukkoth they were in 1 day... to few time for hunger |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 14:58
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But enough for story teller cause of narration in whole description.Should they come back?It had sounded this way for reader&listener of the story.This part could have been invented also and we would never know real happenings there!Whole Exodus had been built upon hypothesis&compilation of stories from different time periods.Pharaoh name could have not been predicted by us for sure also.My personal opinion is that Exodus was imported inside Bible to cut Jew's roots with Egyptian civilization inside which they really were.Stories inside the Bible had been written by Romans,former body of Egyptian civilization could be destroyed in smallest possible fractals and made them to hate&fight one another.It is my opinion about it. |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 15:12
| I haven't got any opinion, I just juxtapose annals texts ... and produce concentrate |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 15:32
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I have read this part so many times but first time i have read it this way!Maybe those are "riddles", had hidden inside this game with words(or bad translation of texts?).It has been hidden inside names of places&events! |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 15:35
| all are plain ! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 19:25
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In all fairness, it is a very lengthy article. Could you not paste the relevant paragraph explaining why manna was not produced by insects?
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Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 23:19
| give me a link to this version... I did not find this before |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 19:58
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I've found something even more interesting: Manna might have been some sort of psychadelic substance http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=isUMfK-2-coC&lpg=PP1&dq=manna&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=manna&f=false - Mystery of Manna ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2012 at 19:20
Here's the requested link. It is believed manna was the sugary secretions from insects like aphids or cicadas. The rising sun evaporated the liquid, leaving a frost-like covering on the ground http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=u6Y3AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA101&dq=manna%20honeydew%20secretion&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false - Studies in ancient technology ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2012 at 19:42
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 00:28
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I was working on that last evening :-) take a look in updated article http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#manna_resin |
Posted By: vasnas
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 00:29
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http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#manna_resin - http://www.bible-exodus.narod2.ru/articles/manna/manna_english.html#manna_resin |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2012 at 02:27
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PaMaNNa =From Heaven Support Mother's,offers!It could be nothing and everything as you can see in article.For me,spiritual support is first one,cause of influence on future believers:Trust The God cause He feeds his believers! P.S. Heavenly support Mother's,offers!PaMaNNa! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 21:10
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If manna was just wheat growing in the desert, why were the Israelites starving? It doesn't make sense
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 23:37
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AFAIK, manna is the juice/resin of the bush Tamarix Gallica /Tamarix mannifera/when pricked by an insect, /Coccus manniparus/, and it's still collected by women in the Sinai, in the morning, before the ants eat it, it's almost pure sugar. In Arabic it's called "mann es-samma"="heavenly manna". "...Bedouns can collect 4 pounds per head, in the morning that they knead into puree; it keeps indefinitely and it's sweet and nutritious..." http://books.google.com/books?id=eD6IVllMx_YC&pg=PA383&lpg=PA383&dq=mann+es-sama+still+collected+now&source=bl&ots=BIKzK0Angi&sig=OKdRLzKrzArZn_oa2AbPmnajecY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TD-KT4vhLuWniQKy89zZCw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mann%20es-sama%20still%20collected%20now&f=false - http://books.google.com/books?id=eD6IVllMx_YC&pg=PA383&lpg=PA383&dq=mann+es-sama+still+collected+now&source=bl&ots=BIKzK0Angi&sig=OKdRLzKrzArZn_oa2AbPmnajecY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TD-KT4vhLuWniQKy89zZCw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mann%20es-sama%20still%20collected%20now&f=false The reference in the bible that it putrefied and bred worms if left overnight was reference to the the ants and insects coming and eating it. And the amount that can be collected is not 'scanty' as the article says, 4 pound a person is quite an amount. The main objection against the wheat idea is that whatever manna was, it was supposed to be collected in the wild, not grown, sprouted, and etc - this is not a ground for miracle /unexplained event/ but a result of conscious human effort. The Bible didn't say they were carrying the manna with them, and making it themselves - they collected some naturally found food resource, not wheat they had to grow and sprout themselves. So, it doesn't fit at all, IMHO. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:15
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What if manna was a type of lichen? In Scandinavia it is used as fodder for livestock
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 19:24
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It depends if there are such lichens in Sinai. I root for the tamarisk juice because it's still there and used in pretty much the same way as I suppose it was in Biblical times - I have a lost of respect for customs that can be followed to contemporary times.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2012 at 19:17
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Lichen definitely grew in the Sinai desert. The Bedouin use it to feed their goats: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-f-ZKA5ZYfsC&lpg=PA258&ots=lVSRXoRvjv&dq=sinai%20lichen&pg=PA258#v=onepage&q&f=false - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-f-ZKA5ZYfsC&lpg=PA258&ots=lVSRXoRvjv&dq=sinai%20lichen&pg=PA258#v=onepage&q&f=false ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 01:09
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That's interesting, I didn't know that, thanks. Hos does the lichen taste? - because manna was supposed to taste like honey cake, and to get with worms if staying overnight. ------------- |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 14:33
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Lichen does not comes from heaven.Big sea storms sometimes create rains of fish on dry land but...Real point is that it was God's help!Heaven is pointed even in name MaNNa(PaMaNNa has to be in original!?!). Don can check it.She knows Ancient Greek. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2012 at 21:33
Apparently it tastes bitter, but to starving refugees it would be the sweetest thing they tasted for weeks ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 01:00
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About mutualism in lichen: Every lichen species is part fungus. Usually the other species is a photosynthesizing alga, but sometimes it can be a photosynthesizing bacterium known as a cyanobacterium. Sometimes all three kinds of organisms are found in one lichen. The above drawing gives an idea of what fungal hyphae wrapping around alga cells might look like at the microscopic level. Is it good for food:some are poisons also! http://www.unomaha.edu/lichens/Bio%204350%20PDF/Uses%20of%20Lichens.pdf - http://www.unomaha.edu/lichens/Bio%204350%20PDF/Uses%20of%20Lichens.pdf
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 15:41
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With what the lichen hypothesis is better fitting to the biblical description than the tamarick juice one?
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 16:04
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Well it might be either and or....evidence appears solid for both. I ate many a bug whole but never took the time to wait for secretions...had other problems....so I'm no help there...lichens and fungus is ok... ate them and ferns-weeds-cactus by the pounds....fills ya up. Gives a bit of indegestion and the crappers fer a few hours but overall not bad. But as Nick notes: ''but to starving refugees it would be the sweetest thing they tasted for weeks'' Same applys for RANGERS in training and LRRP's and dismounted Cav types on recon. I am starting to tear up just remembering. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2012 at 19:44
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The bible allows the consumption of certain types of bug: grasshoppers, crickets and locusts. When fried they apparently taste similar to prawns
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2014 at 18:20
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I would consider that mushrooms were the manna!
They do appear "overnight!" Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |