The first horseman

Capice? Certainly the domestication of the horse had to start somewhere, and I speculate that it occurred within a society that considered horses mostly as food! Just what is wrong with that speculation? Certainly a lot more speculation has been displayed concerning such questions.

If you really are Italian, then you do "capice!"

Regards, Ron

A-R, and Toy......,what wonderful postings!
But you do know that the average horse wants, in the strongest part of its brain, want to dislodge anything from it's back! Thus, nanana, the stations of breaking a horse for riding!

But a colt or mare taken as a child and played with and ridden by children, etc., might well have lost this repulsion over the centuries by at least one society?

RON

Edited by opuslola - 15-Jan-2014 at 22:31

Oh i thought it might be about the first horseman of the apocalypse.... There were horses in the "prehistoric" Americas. Atlantis/Poseidon account had horse/s. Biblical seems to imply Ashkenaz? I think McEvedy says that the Huns, Mongols etc learnt it from Iranian Scythians/Tocharians? Ogus Khan supposedly invaded middle east in ancient times, perhaps he was horseman? Maybe Nimrod/Ninurta was a horserider as a huntsman? There is a dispute that exodus wasn't until after Hyksos because Hyksos first known horse/chariot, though there is evidence there were chariots and/or horses? earlier eg Herodotus says they were lost in Sesostris reign (12th dyn). Does the white horse of Uffingdon count maybe? Sorry can't think straight, full of poison fluoride because the authorities won't stop poisoning/fluoridating my water & me here & i can't always/keep gettting out down to next "city" to get water. "Petroglyphs from the Uzbek SSR (dating from the 2nd or 3rd millenium bc) provide archaeological corroboration of linguistic evidence that the Indoeuropeans had chariots. Wheeled vehicles, such as those drawn here, facilitated agriculture and the migrations that resulted from a growing hunger for land." - the conqueror manifesto by seirizzim 1993. I once noticed the carts of Sumer were ox-drawn like the philistines in bible.

I like toyomotors bit about the gruel and sour milk, i wish i was able to have something like that but this miserable system and my cursed condition (if God doesn't save me) i can't. Reminds me of bit in Hitler's table talk about Spartans cruel being superior to bread. (I'm not necessarily Nazi but I like to know about many different views/ideas/angles. Tho if God doesn't save me and they dont stop poisoning my water maybe i will be, tho problem is the nazis also used fluoride in camps. Sorry for the diversion offtopic.)

horses in myth:
tulpar
rakush (tishtriya apaosha) [asvins] kalki
togarmah, 4 horsemen of apocalypse, rider on the white horse, [burak?]
peruwa/pirwa/za-parwa
pegasus scyphius (poseidon) (atlantis) centaurs, trojan horse, unicorn, arion
sleipnir hrimfaxi yggdrasil? epona/echoiad, white horse of uffington, horsa, herne/herla

ps The "parthian shot". The tactic of the Parthians of faking retreat and turning in their saddles to shot down pursuers which was later the tactic of the Mongols. (Might be related to the tails of the scorpion-locusts in Revelation?)


Edited by Arthur-Robin - 08-Jan-2014 at 06:22

toyomotor. I think you miss read my post, where I wrote "I would make a wild guess that any society who depended upon horses for food, would eventually take a foal, from a killed mother and tie it up and take it home with them." Note the key words "...any society who depended upon horses for food..." I never mentioned the Mongols at all.

Regards, Ron

I would make a wild guess that any society who depended upon horses for food, would eventually take a foal, from a killed mother and tie it up and take it home with them. One adult or several children, could eventually become friendly with this horse, especially a mare, and make it a domestic animal or even a "lure" for more horses?

It would not take long for these people, who were for the most part, much smarter on average, than modern man, to see benefits for all.

Regards, Ron

Ya might like this:

Recently the Saudis discovered a city at Al-Maqar where they apparently domesticated horses 9000 years ago.

Link

Viki says eurasian steppes in 4000BC

firstly people have thought Ukraine. however according to recent informations,  Kazakhstan-Botai culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse

newyork times, botai culture http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/science/06horses.html

Originally posted by Nick1986 The first riding the animals. I'd also like to know which culture was the first to use horses in war

Not sure about domestication and horse-riding but I think the Assyrians were the first to use them in war around the 18th century BCE. Sumerians surely didn't engage in war much and we don't hear anything about them using horses. I even read somewhere that it was because of horses that Assyrians were able to conquer the Akkadians and babylonians so easily.

Nick, when looking at domestication, are you looking for those first riding the animals or just domestication? 

Edited by TheAlaniDragonRising - 04-Sep-2011 at 17:35