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    Posted: 06-May-2011 at 18:24
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

The West thru the eyes of an Artist

Not just indespenseable.... but brillant.

George Catlin.

http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html
 
 
The Smithsonian has his personal papers and diaries on line.  don't have a link handy but it's in the "collections" dept.
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Yep it's a good start point I've used it before.
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Other the the Alamo and Comanches..what is Texas most famous for (oil comes later)?
 
THE TRAIL DRIVERS OF TEXAS
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We've all seen wild west films and shows on television and I'm sure at one time I heard the period depicted wasn't one that lasted as long as the portrayal of it has. What is the truth about this time period and what made that time what it was?  
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Originally posted by ALLAN

We've all seen wild west films and shows on television and I'm sure at one time I heard the period depicted wasn't one that lasted as long as the portrayal of it has. What is the truth about this time period and what made that time what it was?  
 
 
It's an interesting question. Practically, imo, it depends on which actual time line you ascribe to it.
 
As the west was never stagnant and varying lines of thought exist on to geophysical borders and what might be encompassed. As late as 1947, Alaska for example, was considered the last vestiges of the west  by many prior to induction into statehood.
 
It also depends on source and event/s.
 
What made it what it was again depends on the above coupled to the apparent and long held historical belief that it was derived from expansionism as the nation grew and developed. This included the social-economic-cultural and politic-international factors as well.
 
I've studied it over 40 years and it's where mainly I have always lived less time spent in uniform.
I can tell you this much... the fasciantion and traditions are still commonly expressed 200 years later.
 
I would subsequently direct your attention to my earlier posts above. You might find some of the earlier sited links useful.
 
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Native American Legends
 
 
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Cortina, juan nepomuceno (1824-1894).
Still a folk hero today but what was his real intent? ....to the Texans of the region and not many years after the M/A war; he also becomes famous as a murder and cattle rustler.....provocateur and wannabe revolutionist.

Obviously disgruntled and a virulent anti/Texian independence radical...his story is interesting from a number of perspectives.....you decide....what and which.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/o.../CC/fco73.html

http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2009/feb/legend/

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/a_c/cortina.htm
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Buchanans Blunder Aka
 
There were a number of serious incidents of rebellion in the United States during the course of it's historical devlopement and history and many of them no doubt familar to our members here. But one of the most serious and just prior to the cataclysmic event to latter be classifed 'The War between the States' was fought in the west central portion of the United States.

And of course, here i refer now to the more well know version of it's name; the Mormon war. Complex and pernacious, still to a degee to this very day, the factors and issues of contention with and between Brigham Young and the United States government are fascinating study.

If and for no other reason then at the heart of the conflict was the theological divisions between predominately monogamous mainstream American and the polygamous practices and revisions of accepted church theology, based on Joseph Smith and Brigham Young viz the LDS; their previous rejection and isolation/treatment etc.

This, coupled with the fears of an 'independent state within a state' (ie. Deseret), as viewed by the Buchanan administration..set the stage for the bloodshed and punitive expedition into the region by the government that was subsequently to occur.

While not attempting an all encompassing/specialisation review/of the situaion, i encourage our members to study the era and the situation. And happily there are a number of fine links that can assist them in that. As always your analysis, comments and opinions, are encouraged and appreciated.

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See: http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Mormons/00000010.htm

(of special note is Book VI- Chp's 11-18.)


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 10-Jun-2011 at 18:58
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The US Marshal Service.
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Nice CV!, I used to fly with the Marshalls now and then during prisoner transfers, it was always a good time.
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Originally posted by red clay

I'm looking for anything regarding "Great Ed Titchnell".  He is sometimes refferred to as the Last of the Mountain Men.       He also was listed in Ripley's for shaving with a double bit Axe. That skill, plus being able to put one rifle ball on top of the other at 100 yards when he was in his 80's [no sights, no glasses] made him a popular attraction at County fairs.  He lived with his indian wife in a place where no one lives now.  It's called the Dolly Sods, or the West Virginia Highlands.  With all of this known of him, I have yet to find a picture or historical ref. 
 
 
Sorry Red it's  still a nogo. My attempts to contact several county musems and historical associations went unresponded.
 
I will attempt something thru the Univ. of W. VA.
 
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Billy the Kid tintype sells for $2.3 million
This footage from Denver Old West Auctions offers a better angle than the live internet stream but it still doesn't show the bidders in the heat of the moment:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4fWe..._order&list=UL
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Crazy money there.
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Yup Unkie but the fascination with and for the kid remains truly astounding. Of which I really never could understand and I am dead smack in the middle of his home range as I type.
 
Personally there were a lot worse examples of bad men; any number of which were more psycho and or cold blooded then the Kid from NYC. And in a one to one would have used him as a butt boy to wipe tables with.
 
But it's a piece of Americana ntl.
 
 
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Like his old running mate, Dirty Dave Rudabaugh
 
And of course, Mr. Hardin
 
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Edited by Ghost Rider - 29-Jun-2011 at 12:38
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Nice pictogram puzzle!Explain it,please?
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The original post is in reference to the famous outlaw/folk hero Billy the Kid...of which there was only one known potrait; which recently sold for a lot of money at auction,
 
The Second is of one his pardner's in crime. If ya go to the site in Unkie Fred's post ya can learn much about them and the era in general.Smile
 
 


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 29-Jun-2011 at 14:05
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Nice CV!, I used to fly with the Marshalls now and then during prisoner transfers, it was always a good time.
 
 
 
Unk, have you thought of switching travel agents?
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Ha! Actually I worked for the state corrections transfer division at the time.
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