Old West History

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Topic: Old West History

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Subject: Old West History
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2011 at 13:57

I think i started something similar 5-6 years ago then drfited off to another forum.

But I will begin it again here as I expect there might be some interest or interest re-newed by newer members. Hope so and I hope you find the updated links and article etc. interesting.

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Fascinating era I have studied a long time. I have on other forums started a similar thread which is informative and requires no direct replys but they are always welcome. And hopefully to stimulate dialogue on the transformational events that occured in the varied aspects of American developement and society during the era, post revolutionary war up to 1899.

As such i'll post some links to some fine sites-very informative and hope the membership brings their posts and comments here as relates to this most intriguing era in US history.

http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/History/ - http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/History/

http://www.u-s-history.com/ - http://www.u-s-history.com/

http://www.tshaonline.org/ - http://www.tshaonline.org/

http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/biographies/david_conner.html - http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/biographies/david_conner.html

http://www.historyorb.com/ - http://www.historyorb.com/

http://www.northamericanforts.com/ - http://www.northamericanforts.com/

http://www.historyonthenet.com/a-z_of_history.htm - http://www.historyonthenet.com/a-z_of_history.htm

http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/index.html - http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/index.html

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/whatsnew.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/whatsnew.html

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/american-indians/ - http://www.sonofthesouth.net/american-indians/

http://www.texasranger.org/E-Books/E-Books.html - http://www.texasranger.org/E-Books/E-Books.html

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/index.html - http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/index.html

http://www.blackhillsvisitor.com/main.asp?id=14&cat_id=30167&open_id=71 - http://www.blackhillsvisitor.com/main.asp?id=14&cat_id=30167&open_id=71

Again....Looking forward to your input.. links and comments...and I hope you enjoy the articles etc. I intend to provide.

Thanks.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

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Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2011 at 14:02

As noted elsewhere....for most Americans the era of the 'Old or Wild West' begins with the LA purchase and then the L/C expedition. But it really begins with the earlier French and British expeditions into the interior to conduct intercourse and commerce with the natives.

And following hard on that was the movement from the tidewater out onto the applachian plateau. And the man that did that and draws the most attention is when:

"D. Boon Cilled a. Bar [killed a bear] on [this] tree in the year 1760". Daniel Boone http://www.notablebiographies.com/Be-Br/Boone-Daniel.html - http://www.notablebiographies.com/Be-Br/Boone-Daniel.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2011 at 14:10

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

As noted elsewhere....for most Americans the era of the 'Old or Wild West' begins with the LA purchase and then the L/C expedition. But it really begins with the earlier French and British expeditions into the interior to conduct intercourse and commerce with the natives.

And following hard on that was the movement from the tidewater out onto the applachian plateau. And the man that did that and draws the most attention is when:

"D. Boon Cilled a. Bar [killed a bear] on [this] tree in the year 1760".

Daniel Boone

http://www.notablebiographies.com/Be-Br/Boone-Daniel.html - http://www.notablebiographies.com/Be-Br/Boone-Daniel.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Boone

If I didn't state before I will now.... there is no chrono approach here on my part as I have found that some, if interested at all, will contibute or like to know more about this or that or this again.

And not be tied down to a American History 101 version-approach (Which I've taught).

So jump in and post what you like.

Old west outlaws and lawmen run a hot flavor for many. Fur Trappers and explorers and mountainmen for others. Prostitutes (aka camp followers) and the creation of the inter-continental rail systems and the associated Chinese labor are interesting for some....Riverboats...the Pony Express...the telegraph.....making rotgut whiskey...mining and 'rushes'....farming...natural disasters of the time...school marms and circuit preaches...establishment of courts.....development of towns and cities...and invariably the tragic conflicts with natives and their major participants and leaders.

There are hundreds more. As noted I started with the LP/LC.. what essentially was before that and still ongoing for another 50 years was the fur trade and the Mountainmen who were an instruemental part in assisting in the developement of it and the marketing of the product by the numerous companies that sprang forth certainly by 1825.

With that in mind here's a general link on the Fur Trade of America in the time refered to as the 'Old West' and even previous during what's refererd to as the French and Britiish eras..

http://www.whiteoak.org/learning/timeline.htm - http://www.whiteoak.org/learning/timeline.htm

'Remember your Regiment'

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2011 at 18:27

Thanks for the very good post above!

Just give me sometime to assimilate it?

Regards,

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http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2011 at 17:35

Here's a classic on some famous western personalities.

http://openlibrary.org/works/OL3679906W/Heroes_of_the_plains_or_Lives_and_wonderful_adventures_of_Wild_Bill_Buffalo_Bill_Kit_Carson_Capt._Payne_Capt._Jack_Texas_Jack_California_Joe_and_other_celebrated_Indian_fighters_scouts_hunters_and_guides - http://openlibrary.org/works/OL3679906W/Heroes_of_the_plains_or_Lives_and_wonderful_adventures_of_Wild_Bill_Buffalo_Bill_Kit_Carson_Capt._Payne_Capt._Jack_Texas_Jack_California_Joe_and_other_celebrated_Indian_fighters_scouts_hunters_and_guides

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2011 at 17:43

comic books heroes from my youth.Never have been on my mind,they had lived ever.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2011 at 19:11

Ah yes...well the men descibed in the work above were not comic book hero's. They were real and while it's true that much early style pulp fiction was written about them by varying sources and for varying reasons; their actual lives and deeds far out weighed that. They were and still are 'real life adventurers and hero's of the era in which they lived. As real and courageous and full of faults as a Alexander in his day.

thanks.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2011 at 13:46

Here's another classic reference for one of the most famous of them all...the legendary bear wrestling Hugh Glass.....

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=30502417 - http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=30502417

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2011 at 09:49

I'm looking for anything regarding "Great Ed Titchnell". He is sometimes refferred to as the Last of the Mountain Men. He also was listed in Ripley's for shaving with a double bit Axe. That skill, plus being able to put one rifle ball on top of the other at 100 yards when he was in his 80's [no sights, no glasses] made him a popular attraction at County fairs. He lived with his indian wife in a place where no one lives now. It's called the Dolly Sods, or the West Virginia Highlands. With all of this known of him, I have yet to find a picture or historical ref.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2011 at 14:51

Originally posted by red clay

I'm looking for anything regarding "Great Ed Titchnell". He is sometimes refferred to as the Last of the Mountain Men. He also was listed in Ripley's for shaving with a double bit Axe. That skill, plus being able to put one rifle ball on top of the other at 100 yards when he was in his 80's [no sights, no glasses] made him a popular attraction at County fairs. He lived with his indian wife in a place where no one lives now. It's called the Dolly Sods, or the West Virginia Highlands. With all of this known of him, I have yet to find a picture or historical ref.

I know of the Dolly Sods (been backpacking through there) (that is somekinda old hard rock

..quite pretty.... not terribly tough but can be rough country for the novice) but never heard of Mr. Titchnell. But with a rep like that

I'll do some work on it RC.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2011 at 02:44

If you want to know about the history of the famed Pony Express...here's the link.

http://www.xphomestation.com/facts.html#RTL - http://www.xphomestation.com/facts.html#RTL

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2011 at 16:42

And was caused it's downfall and the reduction of mail movement by stage and freight, less bulk?

Partially..... this: http://www.telegraph-history.org/ - http://www.telegraph-history.org/

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 14:30

And it once crossed my home...and while I currently live in NM; I am never far from this place.....it hurts not to be there.

The love of the high lonesome loneome and places that entail... is hard to explain but once you've been there you understand the attraction. Someome once wrote ''magnficent desolation''...think it was Aldrin in describing the moon; iirc.....so it is with the Llano.

hell of a bunch of history here...............

"The Llano Estacado"

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/geol/llano.htm - http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/geol/llano.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2011 at 08:51

A bunch of History, you bet. The Original name for the Clovis Culture was the Llano Culture. You could say it's ground zero for history.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2011 at 02:23

One of the early reconn expeditions to cross the plains and always a favorite study of mine.

Here's a excellent link with sublinks to much out of date publication of several participants.

Enjoy the look.

DODGE-LEAVENWORTH EXPEDITION

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/D/DO004.html - http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/D/DO004.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2011 at 17:16

The evolution of a state......

Wanna read about what the oldtimers thought about Tejas?

Here ya go.

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THE EVOLUTION OF A STATE
OR
RECOLLECTIONS OF OLD TEXAS DAYS

by Noah Smithwick

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http://www.oldcardboard.com/lsj/olbooks/smithwic/otd.htm - http://www.oldcardboard.com/lsj/olbooks/smithwic/otd.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2011 at 12:49

You know I love this stuff, keep em coming!

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2011 at 17:41

Newspapers of the Old West http://www.historybuff.com/library/refoldwest.html - http://www.historybuff.com/library/refoldwest.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 19:12

The West thru the eyes of an Artist

Not just indespenseable.... but brillant.

George Catlin.

http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html - http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-May-2011 at 15:48

The Mining Era

We know about it predominately as a result of the California experience and the subsequent mining of Silver in Nevada, and numerous minerals to include Gold and Silver up in Dakota Terr and Colorado... as well as Alaska and the associated phenomena known as a 'gold rush'..

The Movies and the TV (Most recently series like Deadwood) have given us a portion of the romance and the violence; and the legendary Mark Twain shared it's humor...but the reality of mining is not one of fun and games.

And altho the earliest work was essentially 'placer' style, the serious work that occured in Colorado, and Montana and elsewhere, ie. Gold, Silver, Copper, Zinc and even later Uranium... included that legendary type that is associated with coal mining....hard rock mining which had been going on before gold, back east and later in the west.

Hot, dirty and dangerous, miners like fireman, are a breed apart... cuz if a cave-in or gas explosion, or flooding, or them pesky red brethern of mine; hanging around, to get ya scalp, after you got it out of the ground wasn't bad enough....

There was always something else to worry about. Like train wrecks and blizzards, no food, bad whiskey (altho personaly no such thing exsists in my opinion), mules giving out, or catching the clap. Big Grin

Such was the life, of those, as the 'Spirit of Christmas present' once said: "they that go deep and toil in the bowels of the earth..."

So with no further ado, have at the following link and the many subs it provides and enjoy learning about the 'rushes, conditions, locations, social impact, economic growth, immigration' and much, much, more.

CV

http://www.vlib.us/americanwest/mining.htm -

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-May-2011 at 18:24

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

The West thru the eyes of an Artist

Not just indespenseable.... but brillant.

George Catlin.

http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html - http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html

The Smithsonian has his personal papers and diaries on line. don't have a link handy but it's in the "collections" dept.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 20:55

Yep it's a good start point I've used it before.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 20:56

Other the the Alamo and Comanches..what is Texas most famous for (oil comes later)?

THE TRAIL DRIVERS OF TEXAS

http://www.oldcardboard.com/lsj/olbooks/hunter/td.htm - http://www.oldcardboard.com/lsj/olbooks/hunter/td.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: ALLAN
Date Posted: 21-May-2011 at 18:29

We've all seen wild west films and shows on television and I'm sure at one time I heard the period depicted wasn't one that lasted as long as the portrayal of it has. What is the truth about this time period and what made that time what it was?

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-May-2011 at 20:37

Originally posted by ALLAN

We've all seen wild west films and shows on television and I'm sure at one time I heard the period depicted wasn't one that lasted as long as the portrayal of it has. What is the truth about this time period and what made that time what it was?

It's an interesting question. Practically, imo, it depends on which actual time line you ascribe to it.

As the west was never stagnant and varying lines of thought exist on to geophysical borders and what might be encompassed. As late as 1947, Alaska for example, was considered the last vestiges of the west by many prior to induction into statehood.

It also depends on source and event/s.

What made it what it was again depends on the above coupled to the apparent and long held historical belief that it was derived from expansionism as the nation grew and developed. This included the social-economic-cultural and politic-international factors as well.

I've studied it over 40 years and it's where mainly I have always lived less time spent in uniform.

I can tell you this much... the fasciantion and traditions are still commonly expressed 200 years later.

I would subsequently direct your attention to my earlier posts above. You might find some of the earlier sited links useful.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 23-May-2011 at 18:21

Native American Legends

http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Legends-AB.html - http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Legends-AB.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2011 at 05:00

Cortina, juan nepomuceno (1824-1894).

Still a folk hero today but what was his real intent? ....to the Texans of the region and not many years after the M/A war; he also becomes famous as a murder and cattle rustler.....provocateur and wannabe revolutionist.

Obviously disgruntled and a virulent anti/Texian independence radical...his story is interesting from a number of perspectives.....you decide....what and which.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/CC/fco73.html - http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/o.../CC/fco73.html

http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2009/feb/legend/ - http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2009/feb/legend/

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/a_c/cortina.htm - http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/a_c/cortina.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2011 at 18:57

Buchanans Blunder Aka

There were a number of serious incidents of rebellion in the United States during the course of it's historical devlopement and history and many of them no doubt familar to our members here. But one of the most serious and just prior to the cataclysmic event to latter be classifed 'The War between the States' was fought in the west central portion of the United States.

And of course, here i refer now to the more well know version of it's name; the Mormon war. Complex and pernacious, still to a degee to this very day, the factors and issues of contention with and between Brigham Young and the United States government are fascinating study.

If and for no other reason then at the heart of the conflict was the theological divisions between predominately monogamous mainstream American and the polygamous practices and revisions of accepted church theology, based on Joseph Smith and Brigham Young viz the LDS; their previous rejection and isolation/treatment etc.

This, coupled with the fears of an 'independent state within a state' (ie. Deseret), as viewed by the Buchanan administration..set the stage for the bloodshed and punitive expedition into the region by the government that was subsequently to occur.

While not attempting an all encompassing/specialisation review/of the situaion, i encourage our members to study the era and the situation. And happily there are a number of fine links that can assist them in that. As always your analysis, comments and opinions, are encouraged and appreciated.

best

Smile

CV

See: http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Mormons/00000010.htm - http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Mormons/00000010.htm

(of special note is Book VI- Chp's 11-18.)

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 06:45

The US Marshal Service.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/history/index.html - http://www.usmarshals.gov/history/index.html

http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/527.html - http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/527.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 12:03

Nice CV!, I used to fly with the Marshalls now and then during prisoner transfers, it was always a good time.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2011 at 08:34

Sorry Red it's still a nogo. My attempts to contact several county musems and historical associations went unresponded.

I will attempt something thru the Univ. of W. VA.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 28-Jun-2011 at 09:25

Billy the Kid tintype sells for $2.3 million

This footage from Denver Old West Auctions offers a better angle than the live internet stream but it still doesn't show the bidders in the heat of the moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4fWe9NEmBk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4fWe..._order&list=UL

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 28-Jun-2011 at 11:34

Crazy money there.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2011 at 10:01

Yup Unkie but the fascination with and for the kid remains truly astounding. Of which I really never could understand and I am dead smack in the middle of his home range as I type.

Personally there were a lot worse examples of bad men; any number of which were more psycho and or cold blooded then the Kid from NYC. And in a one to one would have used him as a butt boy to wipe tables with.

But it's a piece of Americana ntl.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2011 at 10:58

Like his old running mate, Dirty Dave Rudabaugh

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html

And of course, Mr. Hardin

Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2011 at 12:28

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"pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"
'That which requires the least fudgin of facts is most likely true'
William of Ockham

Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2011 at 12:31

Nice pictogram puzzle!Explain it,please?

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2011 at 14:03

The original post is in reference to the famous outlaw/folk hero Billy the Kid...of which there was only one known potrait; which recently sold for a lot of money at auction,

The Second is of one his pardner's in crime. If ya go to the site in Unkie Fred's post ya can learn much about them and the era in general.

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 00:04

Originally posted by unclefred

Nice CV!, I used to fly with the Marshalls now and then during prisoner transfers, it was always a good time.

Unk, have you thought of switching travel agents?

Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2011 at 01:41

Ha! Actually I worked for the state corrections transfer division at the time.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 14:36

The True Story of Clay Allison and Wyatt Earp
Dodge City, KS

http://skyways.lib.ks.us/orgs/fordco/myers.html - http://skyways.lib.ks.us/orgs/fordco/myers.html

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2011 at 15:21

BlackCowboys.com

http://www.blackcowboys.com/natlove.htm - http://www.blackcowboys.com/natlove.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 19:24

Mormon Battalion

An excellent bio and site of/for the unit that was sent west to assist the US government's efforts in California during the M/A war.

Enjoy it.

CV

Salute

http://www.three-peaks.net/battalion.htm - http://www.three-peaks.net/battalion.htm

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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 21:49

I read this one book Indian Women and French Men, a decent entry into the Western frontier. A lil earlier than the late 1800s but stil..

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 21:49

Also; quite a lot of books on native americans. There was this one "Dine" on the Navajo that I enjoyed.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 21:50

"Dine" which deals with Navajo history is good, since it mainly deals with the western era as well, and the formation of the navajo land.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 21:51

I did see that show Deadwood, wish they had a fourth season. A lot of historical inconstiencies but still worth it.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 23:24

I have been studying the American Old West over forty years and it is always a fascinating visit.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2011 at 02:30

http://www.archive.org/details/myarmylifefortph00carruoft - http://www.archive.org/details/myarmylifefortph00carruoft

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 14:04

Fascinating example of the 'Old West' concept of Vigilantes

Montana Gold Camp Vigilantes

http://montana-vigilantes.org/ - http://montana-vigilantes.org/

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 15:20

CV, did you enjoy the movie entitled "The Missouri Breaks?" I just loved it!

Regards,

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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 16:02

Originally posted by red clay

A bunch of History, you bet. The Original name for the Clovis Culture was the Llano Culture. You could say it's ground zero for history.

And much later, the area was home to the Comancheros. A mixed ethnicity group of diverse talents (merchants, bandits, gun - whiskey running etc.). I think I saw some of their descendents in Artesia, New Mexico.

http://odomsinhappy.blogspot.com/ - http://odomsinhappy.blogspot.com/

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 16:39

Originally posted by opuslola

CV, did you enjoy the movie entitled "The Missouri Breaks?" I just loved it!

Regards,

Yes I saw it and found it to be fairly good as these things can be when screenwirters adapt history.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2011 at 16:42

Originally posted by Cryptic

Originally posted by red clay

A bunch of History, you bet. The Original name for the Clovis Culture was the Llano Culture. You could say it's ground zero for history.

http://odomsinhappy.blogspot.com/ - http://odomsinhappy.blogspot.com/

Next time you must look for me....I am there often enough. I can show you some...and you forgot to mention that numerous former soldiers also ran with the Comanchero's.

Their modern day version is still to be found in the Meth trafficking business out of Mexico into the USA.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 18:20

The following accounts of Indian hostilities are not as well known for a lot of reasons. Primarily due to the fact they occurred early on in the expansion of the West. In the South West in particular. Versus the latter more well known events of the the 1860's-70's. None the less, they were real enough for those involved and certainly for those in Texas..where they occurred.

Texas Rangers..the Texas Army (militia), Old Scouts and new, famous Trappers and settlers against the legendary Lord's of the Southern Plains: the Great Comanche Nation.

They were all there.

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/plumcreek.htm#mcleod - The Council House Fight

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/plumcreek.htm#plumcreek - The Comanche Attack on Linnville

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/plumcreek.htm#plumcreek - The Battle of Plum Creek

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/plumcreek.htm - http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/plumcreek.htm

Enjoy the site.

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 19:28

So the Indian Wars stemmed from both sides' inability to understand the other's culture? The Indians may not have realised they were stealing as they had few possessions

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 20:13

Certainly a major factor...couple this with the Anglo-Saxon traditional doctrine of individual liberties and expansionism, as identified and developed along market captialism in the US after 1787, to obtain a better life style. Irregardless necessarily of other cultures and their historic traditional development and sociology..... and you begin to ken the difficulties.

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 13:06

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

<H1><FONT face="Benguiat Bk BT">BlackCowboys.com</H1>

http://www.blackcowboys.com/natlove.htm - http://www.blackcowboys.com/natlove.htm

A lot of early cowboys were black, Mexican and even Indians. Until the 1860s whites saw such work as beneath them. It was a hard life and badly-paid: many cowboys couldn't afford guns until after the Civil War and those who had them frequently used them as hammers

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 18:04

Yes theirs is a story not well known or appreciated. They were uniformly praised as hardworking..loyal..dependable and self-effacing viz modesty and probably the bigotry still rampant at the time.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2011 at 04:46

Revered by many and hated by just as many the man remains in part a mystery. To say that he was not an arch foe of the White expansionists and their governement who allowed for treaty creation farces and breachs that drove him from his homeland is an understatement. But there is always more then one side to a story.

His is an old one. And part and parcel to cultural clashes and desires for resources and expansion of lands by immigrant settlers that were a main stay in 19th ce America...his is also still an interesting one.

Such is the case of the man known as Inkpaduta.

http://www.american-tribes.com/Dakota/bio/Inkpaduta.htm - http://www.american-tribes.com/Dakota/bio/Inkpaduta.htm

http://www.davidbristow.com/inkpaduta.pdf - http://www.davidbristow.com/inkpaduta.pdf

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2011 at 07:44

A fierce warrior and inveterate foe of his tribes enemies.. which included some of the toughest on the northern plains and Rocky Mountains. He was also a friend and faithful ally of the US Government. Who while castigated by many later in the revisionist era of representing native conflicts of the 1960-70's; remains a legend.

Chief Washakie

http://wyoarchives.state.wy.us/Research/Topics/FTopic.asp?SubID=4&nav=1&homeID=1 - http://wyoarchives.state.wy.us/Research/Topics/FTopic.asp?SubID=4&nav=1&homeID=1

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2011 at 08:26

Some of the better articles and authors can be found here. Here is an example.

Battle Creek, Texas - Where Surveyors Fought Like Soldiers

http://www.historynet.com/battle-creek-texas-where-surveyors-fought-like-soldiers.htm - http://www.historynet.com/battle-creek-texas-where-surveyors-fought-like-soldiers.htm

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2011 at 11:48

William Henry Jackson (1843-1942)

Painter-photographer-explorer of the Old West

cc. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-williamjackson.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-williamjackson.html

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2011 at 14:32

The Lost Dutchman Mine
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/az-lostdutchman.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/az-lostdutchman.html

Still out there.

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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2011 at 14:38

I knew this story from comics:
http://www.pictureboxinc.com/products/675-marshal-blueberry-the-lost-dutchman-s-mine - http://www.pictureboxinc.com/products/675-marshal-blueberry-the-lost-dutchman-s-mine

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2011 at 16:16

Yep well comic books about the west today and for the past thirty years or so are nothing more then a reinvention of the famous 'penny-dreadful'.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2011 at 04:29

Our Wild Indians et al. by RI Dodge, Colonel, USA

http://www.archive.org/stream/ourwildindians00dodgrich#page/n3/mode/2up -

http://www.archive.org/stream/ourwildindians00dodgrich#page/n3/mode/2up

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2011 at 04:10

Captain Frank North

Scout and leader of scouts extraordinare

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWnorthF.htm - http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWnorthF.htm

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/topic/newspapers/bio/west/northobt.htm - http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/topic/newspapers/bio/west/northobt.htm

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2011 at 12:05

Bison Bill's Weird West

http://www.bisonbill.com/index.html -

http://www.bisonbill.com/index.html

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2011 at 19:46

There's some weird stuff on there. I'd like to see Black Jack's pickled head
http://www.bisonbill.com/Bison5.html - http://www.bisonbill.com/Bison5.html

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Dec-2011 at 10:40

Related current news. The nexus should be obvious.

Wild Horses: Caretaker welcomes mustangs on Oklahoma ranch

http://www.lvrj.com/news/wild-horses-caretaker-welcomes-mustangs-on-oklahoma-ranch-135817278.html?ref=278 - http://www.lvrj.com/news/wild-horses-caretaker-welcomes-mustangs-on-oklahoma-ranch-135817278.html?ref=278

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2012 at 16:58

Dirty Dave Rudabaugh - Feared by Billy the Kid

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 24-Mar-2012 at 14:34

For those interested in the machinations behind the concepts and practices of the Spanish land grant system. Here is an example that in essence personifies the norm and is also an example of the further development of grants long after the fact.. It's a lengthy read. But it's well written and concise and representative of the fine work from the scholars of the NM Office of the State Historian.

http://www.newmexicohistory.org/filedetails.php?fileID=24405 - http://www.newmexicohistory.org/filedetails.php?fileID=24405

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-May-2012 at 07:52

One of my very early favorites...and in his time as famous as his good friend Bill Cody.

Enjoy the link.

PAWNEE BILL (GORDON WILLIAM LILLIE, 1860-1942)

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/P/PA024.html - http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/P/PA024.html

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 11:49

The Thoen Stone

Fact or fiction?

http://pie.midco.net/treasuredude/thoen.html - http://pie.midco.net/treasuredude/thoen.html

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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 12:01

It sounds like a hoax to me.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 20:41

Joseph Alfred Slade

A very tough man. Said to have ridden with Hickock, Sept 1860, on a recapture of horses taken from the Pony Express's Plant station; by Natives. They were recaptured, somewhere north of Sweetwater station on Clear Creek in Wyoming Terr. His bio is illuminating.

http://historytogo.utah.gov/salt_lake_tribune/in_another_time/061994.html - http://historytogo.utah.gov/salt_lake_tribune/in_another_time/061994.html

http://www.over-land.com/slade.html - http://www.over-land.com/slade.html

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-josephslade.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-josephslade.html

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 10:00

Manataka Mountain.

Big medicine for many...even today.

See the links:

http://www.manataka.org/page352.html - http://www.manataka.org/page352.html

http://ephemeris.com/history/mayans.html#mayans - http://ephemeris.com/history/mayans.html#mayans

http://chickamauga-cherokee.com/manataka.html - http://chickamauga-cherokee.com/manataka.html

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 20:22

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Dirty Dave Rudabaugh - Feared by Billy the Kid

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html

How did Dirty Dave get his nickname? Was it because he lacked personal hygiene, or because he had a "dirty" mind?

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2012 at 20:32

''Nicknamed "Dirty Dave” because he rarely bathed and wore filthy clothes, he came to notoriety in the 1870s as the head of a gang of thieves and rustlers in http://www.legendsofamerica.com/tx-mainpage.html - . ''

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html - http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-daverudabaugh.html

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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 12:37

Dirty Dave came to a fitting end:

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 15:10

Yup.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 15:26

The Battle of Massacre Canyon

Quite possibly the last great fight of any significant numbers of two Native North American Tribes. It's not well known to layman and or professional and it's rarely referenced. Non the less, I've been in the region many times and while perusing some old notes and references I had on it; offer it up for your edification. This can be tough and desolate country in summer and or winter. I was backpacking thru on the way to Julesburg....had nothing better to do and happened to see the monument. Got me interested... in the story.

The two primary contestants were elements of the Lakota And Pawnee nations. Inveterate foes and tremendously good haters and rivals, from as far North as Inyan Kara and Bear Butte to the edges of the Arkansas... (and yes your Unkie Centrix has been there too) tho there they were messing with Cheyennes, Kiowas, Arapahoes and Comanches along those waters. Not good in many cases. The best examination, review and retelling of the tale, is that of their agent John W. Williamson.

Enjoy the read.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nebuffal/bassett/p383.htm - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nebuffal/bassett/p383.htm

http://www.nebraskaruralliving.com/essays/massacre_canyon.asp - http://www.nebraskaruralliving.com/essays/massacre_canyon.asp

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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 20:54

Thanks CV, that's a great read.

Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 21:29

Yes no problem Unkie...recently I have been accused of lesser quality posts by individuals unnamed.....It appears that when I post other then according to the mainstream interpretation of many subjects, most recently, political analysis I am a heretic. Which infers I have no knowledge or experience or right to an analysis...commentary.... opinion or personal choice of sources.

So I'll just come and go and post occasionally as apparently my presence or contributions are not necessary. Or considered of merit or value.

Iow...politics like war...on an internet forum blog or elsewhere.... is still hell...And the Lakota and Pawnee proved that in 1873.

So given the aforementioned this post is probably of no merit or value other then to a few. And I probably just wasted my time by contributing it.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2012 at 11:43

Perhaps the most proficient plainsman and scout of his time and in par with the earlier greats, Bridges etc.

Yet he remains one of the least known and least recognized. The reasons are complex and as a result of his work during the time frame that Cody and Hickok were also in the business....and whom thru great publicity agents and voluminous publication of their exploits...true and fictional... garnered the majority of recognition.

None the less from contemporary sources, fellow scouts and military officers (Both Custer and Carr held him in high regard), that he worked for; William A. "Medicine Bill" Comstock was without a doubt nearly peerless.

See the links:

http://www.historynet.com/medicine-bill-comstock-saga-of-the-leatherstocking-scout.htm - http://www.historynet.com/medicine-bill-comstock-saga-of-the-leatherstocking-scout.htm

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46708898 - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46708898

See also the comments on the great scout by Rosa in: Wild Bill Hickok The Man and His myth.

Chp Four. pg 94-99.

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 17:55

Battle of Blue Water Creek/aka/Ash Hollow

We just celebrated the 157th (yup I know that doesn't sound like a sexy number) anniversary of this little known fight between elements of the US Army and the Brule Sioux in NW Nebraska from 2-3 Sept 1855.

Essentially defined as the culminating action of what's referred to as the 'First Sioux War'. It really involved alleged violations of the Fort Laramie treaty (1851) and the theft of a cow by a Brule warrior from a Mormon immigrant train passing near their camp on the Oregon trail; Aug 1854 and subsequent Sioux raiding in 1855.

Long and short of it is...immigrant gets mad, turns in the theft to the military authorities at Fort Laramie; who then send out a less then qualified Indian negotiation team led by Lt. JL Grattan and 29 stalwarts to seek redress. Things did not go well to say the least and at the end of the day a clan Chief is dead and so is Grattan and 29 other soldiers (The Grattan Massacre 19 Aug 1854).

Now it has escalated into a massacre of US forces and the entire nation is up in arms over an incident reference a cow. A cow that varying sources alleged the Sioux were willing to make restitution for. But the lad leading the Army expedition, in an effort, no doubt, to show his moxie nix's that and demands the surrender of the Sioux Warrior. Which was summarily rejected by the Chief.

Well things can only get worse and they did. Because now bowing to the public howling President F. Pierce orders a punitive expedition, under Colonel WS Harney into the field to chastise the hostiles for their temerity. On site Negotiations fail And the rest... they say is history. Hopefully, I've whetted your appetite and I hope for you to follow up on the actual battle which then occurs.

And for you CW buffs there's some familiar names involved. Bottom line... heavily outnumbered and outgunned the Natives (approx 250 men versus 600 infantry and cavalry) are defeated. With significant casualties including (yup you guessed it) women and children. This then is the beginning of a long road ahead against the Sioux.

So if your interested see the following link for what ends up being a return favor of massacre...all over a cow. And I encourage you to read about it by perusing:

Beck, Paul Norman (2004). The First Sioux War: The Grattan Fight and Blue Water Creek, 1854-1856], University Press of America

http://www.nebraskahistory.org/publish/markers/texts/battle_of_blue_water.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=Nqcng_YtoXQC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=John+Lawrence+Grattan&source=bl&ots=RZihbej3f1&sig=u2NN948DhyVB6ya5x1Xnu8D_OIc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#v=onepage&q=John%20Lawrence%20Grattan&f=false

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2012 at 14:08

Battle of Slim Buttes

After unsuccessfully attempting, in concert with General A. Terry, to locate the bands responsible for the Custer fight on the Big Horn during the summer of 1876. BG G. Crook commences what is now his famous mud march back to the SW to the goldfields of Dakota Terr. By late August, into early Sept, his command...

(elements of the 2nd-3rd and 5th US Cavalry Regiments and the 4th-9th and 14th US Infantry regiments)

...virtually starving and nearly dismounted and forced to eat dead horses and mules, is beset with unusually severe rains and bad weather.

Crook orders Captain Anson Mills, 3rd US Cavalry and a contingent to push onto the Black hills and supplies... while en route, Mills on 8 September 1876, accidentally stumbles onto the camp of Lakota Chief American Horse near Slim Buttes (Reva, SD).

While the village is destroyed and American Horse mortally wounded, for the next two days, Crook and his forces (approx 1200 men) fend of counterattacks led by the famed Oglala Warrior Crazy Horse (600-800 warriors). On 10 Sept, Crook proceeds as per his intent to the gold camps. A running fight will continue for several days amongst minor elements of the forces. However by 15 September Crook will be resupplied and his commands security ensured.

Nominally an Army victory it will not yet be the last action in the long war versus the Sioux.

For more see: Werner, Fred H., The Slim Buttes Battle, San Luis Obispo, CA: Werner Publications, 1981.

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2012 at 07:45

Dingdong the spammer has been busy, but i think i've deleted the majority of his posts

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DODGE-LEAVENWORTH EXPEDITION

The True Story of Clay Allison and Wyatt Earp Dodge City, KS

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The True Story of Clay Allison and Wyatt Earp
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