Lost Polish territories

My point was that during ww1, because of the Communist takeover in Russia, Russia gave up vast territories of Eastern Europe including Poland, some of Ukraine, and other lands, to keep Germany from further attacking Russia.

Also, you said AMerica did not have as big of an impact in WW2, abut your wrong actually. If America would not have opend up other fronts in France and in Italy, germany could of put most of their units on the eastern front, and if not conquered Russia at least stopped them and signed an arminance.. SO who says you would not be speaking German?(Even though I do think widespread revolts would of ended Nazi domination soon..) You cannot underestimate the impact of these 2 fronts.

Originally posted by Mantaz Originally posted by boody4 "I understand about giving territories to Lithuania, because it was part of Poland. It was a part of Poland-Lithuania commonwealth or union, whatever you call it, but not Poland

Affcourse you are right my friend. I have only good feelings towards our lithuanian ex brothers and we Poles remeber yours and our joined glory and achievements during times of Commonwealth of the two nations. Afcourse we regret that those times are over but on the other hand we can now cooperate like partners within EU. As well as we want to help our ukrainian friends and today we dont want to grab their land. Because now it is their land.

The way you say "their" dirty war disgusts me. W.W.2 was a direct result of the treaty of Versaille and thus w.w.1 which was caused by France and Britain feeling threatening by a unified Germany which was finally putting it's foot down to foreign aggression. Before you accuse every german as a war criminal, first remember that a first world country was practically forced into starvation following the treaty of Versaille. This country was germany, a land with a people completly innocent of the war of a monarch, the Kaiser. That the germans listenned to a man like Hitler following the sh*t they had to go through could only have been expected, and what Hitler did is not the fault of the common german. Get this black and white polish stereotype out of your head!

And you truly think the german people did not suffer from the war? Are you insane? Before my father immigrated to Canada he recalls well having to eat dog in order to survive allied rations, which were actually starvation rations. More damage was done to Germany than you arrogant Poles will ever know. Out of the 16 million germans living in east prussia, only 10 million made it to what was left of the nation. One small example of allied brutality. These were women and children. Man Germany was cut in half, and what was left of it bombarded over 500 times, and you say Germany should pay war reparations? Why don't any of you just think for a moment and realize that war cuts both ways, why should Germany have to pay any more war raparatiosn than any other nation which contributed to Hitler gainning power and finally, w.w.2 altogether?

Now one thing you seem to be quiet ignorant over my polish friend mosquito is that Germany is paying billions of dollars in trying to help up the eastern european countries. 50% of the EU finances come from Germany, and they still need to rebuild east germany which also suffered under the soviet regime. Germany pays so much for the EU, and you Poles appreciate nothing of it! You're almost putting it as if the only reason Germany is the thriving cultural center it is today becasue of American aid and the only reason Poland isn't, is because they received nothing. I'll tell you what my friend, sure West GErmany received finances, but in truth it was the hard working germans who rebuilt Germany. No one gave a sh*t over the place and many people such as yourself sitll hold such criminal stereo types against it; well in truth, it was the germans who rebuilt their nation, so don't go bitching about your 40% unemployement rate until you learn to work as hard as your efficient german neighbours and apprecaite the help you get which comes freely and in my opinion shouldn't come at all seeing how cocky and ungrateful you are!

Well, sorry for saying truth if it offended you. Affcourse Germans were peacefull volk which was forced to attack the rest of Europe and wherever the Germans were coming they were bringing with them their higher culture, civilisation and were acting in very honourable way towards the people of conquered territories.

Well, Poland was reunited after 120 years of being partitioned between 3 neighoburs. Every region had different law and played different role in 3 different economic systems. Whats more during WW1 large territories of Poland were completelly obliterated. It took almost 20 years to rebuild and when things were going better our neighbours came again and destroyed everything to the ground.

Well, Germany lost 6 millions citisens of more than 80 which they have before the war. Poland lost 6 millions citisens of 35 millions they have before the war. Who suffered more? And did the German suffer because Poles invade them or it were Poles suffering because Germans invaded them?

Well, good that Germans could have tested the piece of hell in which others were living for 6 years.

Every action causes reaction. Germans were puting women and children into gas chambers.

My country was also cut in half. German soldiers were going from house to house in Warsaw with the flame throwers and explosives and destroying everything, house after house, street after street. Untill there was nothing left. So, dont except that i will cry for your german cities and people, because it was Germany that started this madness. And it was 1st september 1939 when my city and other cities in Poland were bombed first time. But it wasnt all, soon after your good german people came to my city, they started executions.

Well, our unemployment rate is about 19%.  And we are one of the most hardworking nations in the EU so from our neighbours we can learn only how to work less.

But i see that there is somthing what share both german and polish Canadians. It is extreme nationalism.

This what i posted wasnt really directed towards you because im always open on discussion with you. I know well how german population suffered during the war. As you know my grandfather was in german army and also saw many things. I dont want any land from our neighbours and im sick with the Poles from the new world who started this debate as well as with greek who revived it after it was dead long time ago.

But this what i have posted are facts. It werent Poles that brought the war with all it consequences to Germany but it were Germans who brought it to Poland. And some nations in Europe were suffering consequences of this war longer than others. Our countrymen in Belarus and Kazachstan are suffering it till today.

See you cannot think beyond 1939. Why did the Nazies do all this? Why would anyone just randomly do that? You sound like those people who say terrorists are born terrorists. Any thought on context utterly ignored. How typical.

When did I say those were the only 6 million? Didn't I clearly state that was one example. Have you ever heard what happenned in Berlin? In Dresden? At pretty much every clutter of buildings in Germany at the time? Also, I never said Poles did not suffer, my original comment was in rebuke to the completly bias lies you stated about everything which concerns the Germans. The Germans were suffering for the imperialistic world powers invading their country, not for the first time. And to forestall your comments, yes Nazies were also imperialists, but imperialists who only came to power because of the misery the germans were in after w.w.1, one which was unjustifiably forced upon them. (kaiser's war, not the people's) This however I expect you won't understand, also typical.

They lived it long before then which provoked the pain they inflicted upon others. Unjustifiable pain on others but still what could have been expected if you look at the context. Something I doubt you did.

You classify all germans as one massive collective. The SS were putting children in gas chambers, just like the CIA are deporting suspicious looking citizens of all countries to Syria for torture. "Every action causes reaction", take a piece of your own advice. Treat germans like sh*t, and eventually they'll listen to a lunatic who's vowing to treat you like sh*t. Action--> Reaction. 2+2=4. This is learnt in preschool, in my coutnry at least. I don't know about Poland.

No it was not Germany that started this madness. It was the chain reaction of events of the previous 50 years that commenced it. You put all blame on one people far too easily. How typical

MY source: recent Polish immigrant to Canada. The unemployement in Poland is 40%, unless you want to substract the 21% which are on the road side displaying themselves as sex objects or the others who make a living off of thievery or scrubbing the ground for precious looking metals which don't exist. 19% my white hairy ass!

You have no idea what Canada represents. We are peace keepers. We are famous for peace keeping. Ask the dutch, the people of Rwanda, the people of Afgnanistan, the people of Sudan, or any other of the many countries Canada works to help into peace. Matter of fact in Holand they stop all traffic and business for a certain time every week or month I'm not sure which, but to stop and hear the Canadian athem. They do this in thanks for their liberation by Canada's hand from Nazi domination.

Now I'm sure you will attempt to rebuff everything I've said, but once again I think you also misinterpret what I'm trying to say. You probably think I'm some Neo-Nazi or other, well I'm sorry to disappoint you I'm not that, and I do understand the pain Poland has suffered. It just vexes me to the core when I hear ppl still claiming war rapartions for a war where both sides were wrong.

Plz read my quote.

I trust my sources above yours, partly because I know my sources and secondly because you don't have any.

And I must also congratulate you for a disccusion well answered. Nothing beats using the excuse of having been offended to escape answering the facts. A true sign of understanding the argument. Well done. Also very typical

ps: I like your name, it really suits you.

HAHAHA, alright, believe your statistics. Funny, isn't that where they try to make themselves look good? (Cough cough, complete propaganda!)

I also find your prejudice towards immigrants amusing. The attitude you have is the exact same of the tiny monarchs in Germany at the time of Napoleon. It is this policy which made so many people immigrate, 40% of modern day united states are of majority german origin. As with the Poles, most of these people were hard working peasants but who were drivin off their country.

Once again I am far too lazy to be insulted by your on the spot insults, it is just interesting how you always speak so vigorously of how the Poles went through pain yet when your own people leave to seek safety, they are "rubbish". Do not try and downplay my father, they left because the country was raised to the ground and the Soviets were coming with murder on their minds. Only a fool would stay, but I guess you would have, that also makes sense seeing what you are.

Nothing I've said has any relation with that book. I don't understand why you would bring that up unless you were just searching it yourself for some sad pathetic argument to through at me.

poor kid.

EDIT: Nice edit kid, I also find it funny how you've just changed everything you said. Nice cover up, I'm sorry tho, I did read it before you got the chance.

sure, Germany was the agressor, but look, the territories lost eblogn to coutnries that ahve themselves felt the hard hand of teh German occupiers and have onyl independes for no logner than 60 years or so, woudl you find it fair to take it from thsoe young countries?

@Golden Phallanx:

first, I don't care what you considder yourself, i think you should considder yoruself an Arschloch (yes, correct spelling ) and finally shut up! i totally side with what Komnenos wrote to you and I would have wrote it myself if i had not simply descided to ignore your ignorant propaganda posts. member Genghis talks a far better German than you, yet I think he has no German heritage at all, so just because you know some bad German that does by far not make you anything close to a German, that is anybody whose family has lived in this country for over 100 years at least and had experienced the Imperial and Nazi Germany from first hand.