Ancient Jews were Kurds

All I know is that Abraham is the father of the Hebrew nation. And he is from Kurdistan. He was born in Riha. Riha is a Kurdish city in western Kurdistan.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 11-Feb-2011 at 06:58

Originally posted by Ince No they were NOT.  You seem to mix up the ancient people with todays Kurds, the Hurrians were not reffered to as Kurds.   Georgians and other caucasians descend from the Hurrrians, what they are also Kurds? .    Also what the hittites were Turks?

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Edited by MediaWarLord - 11-Feb-2011 at 09:11

Those sites just repeat what Izady was saying, I am sorry but I do not see any similarties between Caucasians and Kurds.  Izady claimed that the Kurdish tribe Barzani is the name of the Hurrian god, but we can find Iranic terms of it as well, it even sounds Iranic.   Sun worship was practiced by many people. you can also find the picture of the sun in the pre-1979 iranian flag and other early iranian dynastys, the sun is also in reliefs in a Median tomb, that you had showed me on another thread.    Izady is criticized by many people for making up alot of what he wrote to glorify Kurdish history, their might be some Hurrian in the Kurds, but not the way izady said it.   Y

Scythian mythology and Yazdanism

Yazdanism is a conventional name for the pre-Islamic religion of the Kurds, before it developed into three branches of Ezidism, Yarsanism and Alevism, now practiced by small communities in central, southern and northern Kurdistan, respectively. A peculiarity of these religions which they share together and basically originates from Yazdanism is belief in a heptad of divine beings. In Ezidism for instance, the world is in the care of a Heptad of seven Holy Beings, often known as Angels or heft sirr (the Seven Mysteries). Preeminent among these is Tawûse Melek or Melek Tawus, literally meaning ''The peacock angel''.

In Scythian mythology, which is sporadically known through Greek sources, a heptad of seven deities are worshiped, greatest of all being ''Tabithi'' or ''Tabiti'' who was ''queen of animals'' and ''godess of fire''.

Besides the resemblance of the name which fully corresponds with Kurdish historical phonology (b> w, θ>s, hence: Tabithi > Tawus), both divinities have smiliar characters: being the greatest of the heptad and queen of animals (peacock has been often described as such).


One more amazing similarity is that in the Scythian mythology, the heptad divinities each represent a planet, as in Ezidism in which each divinity has been created in a week-day, (week-day names basically represent planets).  


Another Scythian goddess, "Api", depicted as having snakes instead of legs (image), precisely corresponds with the famous Kurdish mythological character, "Shameran".

Edited by MediaWarLord - 11-Feb-2011 at 13:18

Of course every-one's opinion concerning any relationship between the people we today consider as "Kurds", and the Jews (Whey?), is mostly related to the time period one considers!

Certainly there seems to be some Biblcal evidence that the Jews exciled from their nation, might well have been sent to some point in the area we now refer to as Kurdistan, etc., many years ago!

The point seems to be that this mass of Jews, never seems to have been heard of again?

So, perhaps the more "modern" Kurds are descendants of the exciled Jews?

Technically, anyone can argue either point with equal immunity!

Most Kurds of the past, seemed to have accepted Jesus as their saviour at one point! Or, am I confused?

Edited by opuslola - 11-Feb-2011 at 19:50

Originally posted by Ince You seem to also be motivated by religous views,  I am my self an Atheist, my family were Alevi so, Atheism was not a big step as my family were not very religoius.  So where do you think the Zaza and Kurmanji Kurds who have the tribal name Alan come from?  The Alan were a Scythian tribe.   The Greeks use to refer to Sycthians around the Black sea and Iran as the Budhi,  that sounds very similar to the large Kurdish tribe in Anatolia, the Boti/Buti.   Sycthian capital was also in Kurdistan.  Many more evidence that points Sycthian element within in the Kurds.   On another thread you were crying about the Kurds and Medes and about how Hawramani is close to Avestan and now you are pro-Hurrians?  Also Hurrians did not always live in Kurdistan, they came from the North and likely even Hurranised the native population that was present as well. Yezidism is believe to have it's roots in the Mittani, which was a dynasty ruled by Indo-Aryans, as Yezidism shares similarties with Hindusim.  Originally posted by MediaWarLord I don't know about the Scythians, but Hurrians always lived in Kurdistan. I think the Scythian origin of the Kurds is just a myth, and nothing more. I'm not such a supporter of the Scythians.   Yezidi Kurds have just 1 GOD. The one who created the Kurds. And that is Ezide Sor ( (X)Gode Shams = Sun GOD ). When we pronounce his name we refer to the sun. Hurrians did the same with their sky GOD, Teshub.   Meleke Taus is the chief angel of 7 angels. He is the ruler of this planet and maybe equal to GOD in power. And we don't choose between Meleke Taus or Ezide Sor. We love them both. But Meleke Taus didn't create the Kurds, that's why he is not our GOD.   I think that the Yezidism as a religion is much older than Scythians. Yezidism is a pure Kurdish religion that has got it roots in Kurdistan. The Yezidism is thousands of years old. I don't think that Scythians have their roots in our beautiful country. They came from somewhere else.   BTW, I don't exclude that the proto-Kurds influenced the Scythians and the Medes.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 11-Feb-2011 at 22:34

Originally posted by Ince Please stop reffering to ancient people as Proto-Kurds, they were not Kurds.  The term Kurds comes from the Guti, which was also used for Nomads and Mountainers as well.  Modern Humans Homo-Sapiens originated in Ethiopia, so what Ethiopeans can claim that all humans are Ethiopeans, even when the term was coined up recentaly?.   The Aryans and IE did not originate in Anatolia, the Anatolian theory is outdated and the Kurgan theory is more widely accepted.  Yezidism was influenced by Indo-Aryans and not the other way around, the Indo-Aryans arrived in  a region that was populated by Caucasian people.  Sun worship has been part of Human history ever since humans started to think.  The Chinese, Egypt were all Kurds  as well.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity  Some of your other comments are just too ridiculas to even reply to, re-Kurdify... You seem to a have mentality and child like logic, in which to glorify your own ego, you want to claim everything as Kurdish and associate anything great with Kurds.   Their for I am not going to reply as I will just be going around in circles.

I saw the same topic on forumbiodiversity (kinda), the conclusion was that the Assyrians were closer, genetically, to the Jews. 

Why it's so funny completely escapes me. It makes more sense than all other theories combined.

MediaWarLord, you're embarrassing. You have no solid proof. You sound like all other ultra-nationalists claiming other people's history. Now stop it.