A question on Greeks

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Inhuman refusal of entry and denaturalization of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.

   

The Greek government continues to denaturalize members of the Macedonian minority in Greece who as economic immigrants reside mainly in transoceanic countries. This occurs during the past decades.

The Greek Authorities selectively implement law 3370, article 20 par. 1G (Greek law for Citizenship), mainly against ethnic Macedonians (economical immigrants) who are active as members of Macedonian associations and express their Macedonian cultural, linguistic and national identity. 

 

The ethnic Macedonians are informed about the Greek's State decision only when they try to enter Greece, temporarily or for repatriation. Denaturalized individuals are at the same time declared as undesirable in Greece (persona non grata) and no entrance in the country is allowed, even for humanitarian reasons.   

 

Recently (07 05 2005) Mr. George Mishalis tried to enter Greece in order to be present at his father funeral in his native village Meliti / Voshtarani in Florina / Lerin. For the last years, Mr. Mishalis has been living and working in Melbourne, Australia.

Greek border police authorities prohibited his entry, according to the above-mentioned decision.

 

It�s truly unbelievable that in year 2005 and in a so-called modern European country as Greece, one cannot attend his/her relative's funeral or the burial of his/her father, only because one has publicly expressed an ethnic identity that is not Greek.

EFA- Rainbow was also recently informed about the denaturalization the Also of one more Macedonian.

Mr. Chris Gagatsis was declared "undesirable" in Greece according to the same law (3370 article 20 par. 1G)

Mr. Gagatsis' place of birth is village Alritas / Buf, Florina / Lerin     

    

Over the past decades, Greek Governments have never given any data on the numbers of denaturalized Macedonians. The victims of this policy are simply notified about it upon their arrival to Greek border stations, exactly as it happened in the 2 cases mentined above.

 

This inhuman and racial discrimination against George Misalis and Chris Gagatsis but also against other Macedonian economic immigrants, the refusal of repatriation rights for thousands of Macedonian political refugees that left their birthplaces during the civil war (1946-1949**), the continuous refusal to grant any rights for the Macedonian minority in Greece and the discrimination in terms of ethnic, cultural and linguistic diversity prove for yet another time that there is a deficit of democracy in our country.     

 

According to the Greek State, there is no ethnic Macedonian minority in the country. If this is the case, then we simply wonder who the "target" of these measures is.

 

EFA- Rainbow denounces the continuous racist and inhuman treatment that the Greek government holds in store for the ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece and will inform about the above incidents all the international organizations involved in the protection of Human Rights

EFA-Rainbow also calls all the Greek democrats to support our fight for a truly democratic and European Greece.

 

 

The political Secretariat

 

 

*Code for Greek Citizenship

Low 3370/1955

Chapter G

Article 20

 

Denaturalization

One can lose his/her Greek Citizenship

When-while residing abroad-he/she acted in benefit of another State, in ways that do not comply to the Greek citizen status and against Greece's interests. 

 

** Common Decision of the Ministers of Internal Affairs and Public Order of Greece.

Athens 29.12.1982

Subject: Free repatriation and return of the Greek citizenship to the political refugees.

 

Taking under consideration:

 

The provisions of the Law 400/76 "For Ministerial Council and Ministries" as it was modified by the law N. 1266/1982 and within the framework of the Government's policy for national reconciliation and unanimity,

 

We decide that:

 

All Greeks in gender (nb: underline made by EFA-Rainbow) that during the civil war 1946-49 and because of it fled abroad as political refugees, can return to Greece, even if they had been were deprived of their Greek citizenship.

 

The ministers of

Internal Affairs       & nbsp;    Public Order

 

G. Gennimatas       &nbs p; G. Skoularikis  

Are you people trully Albanian or you just totally IGNORANT of your history???

If you don't know that the SS Skanderbeg was an Albanian "army" formed by H.Himler to literally cleanse Kosovo then what do you know and why on earth did you mention them????

Proof is out there as long as you want to obtain knowledge.
Why would German, Italian, (Hellinic an Serb I could understand "NOT" to be non-credible), British...... all mention intentional cleansing of the Kosovo-Albanian area????
Don't give me the Turkish logic of "christian clubs/ everyone against islam" and that kind of crap .
Objective search, DO IT!!! and then ask anything you like.
(by objective I mean NO albanian, NO hellinic, NO serb sources)

Please, we may seem at times but we aren't that stupid!!!!

The internet is a valuable source of knowledge, I suggest you use it correctly.
Exactly how many jews were in Albania priop to ww2?
Man if you guys don't know your history and exactly what the "Skanderbeg division" was all about, that isn't our fault but Hoxza's and your negligence of the source you're provided with (internet), in short use it to obtain the knowledge they've derived you of.

Interestingly enough this is one of hundreds found on a simple google:

Friday May 2, 1997
Only about 60 Jews were known to be in Albania before the outbreak of violence and armed conflict earlier this year.
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/s tory_id/6064/edition_id/113/format/html/displaystory.html

Do I really need to post a previous census of the Jewish population???

like i said it has little appeal amongst the general Albanian populace inside Albania...BDK and UNIKOMB have been around for a while but most of the votes either go to the Democratic or Socialist Party when there's elections.

Albania was an ally to Fascist Italy but only on paper... partizans in Albania fought against the Nazis just like any other partizans in the Balkans. Quite a few villages were wiped out in the north after German soldiers were killed. While it is true that he had Albanian Kosovars fighting for him this does not prove that Albania itself had in mind to become "Greater Albania". Thats an idea that to this day has little appeal to people living in Albania. Most of the people who like that idea are Albanians outside living in Macedonia and Kosovo because well they don't want to be outside of Albania plus the Albania is small as it  can't support 3 other million people. Most of the Slavs were exterminated by their own brethen tho, the Croats might have killed up to 500000 Serbs during WW2.

Originally posted by vulkan02 I do not defend Hitlers actions or anything like that. Hitler however did a lot of reseach on races and peoples and he claimed that Greeks are not a pure race however Albanians are. Thus you can disprove him or his statement. Thats your choice.

What irritates me the most, is that you don't possess the basic intelligence to comprehend that since Albania was an ally to Fascist Italy (protectorate) and the Nazis, Hitler had every reason to support something like that. There were Albanian divisions fighting alongside the Vermacht.

Let's also not forget that Hitler in WWII created greater Albania, by giving it Kossovo and W. Macedonia and exterminating hundreds of thousands of Slavs...

 

 

 

I do not defend Hitlers actions or anything like that. Hitler however did a lot of reseach on races and peoples and he claimed that Greeks are not a pure race however Albanians are. Thus you can disprove him or his statement. Thats your choice.

Originally posted by Yiannis Originally posted by vulkan02 He thought the Albanians were aryan race but not the Greeks. Your idiocy, bringing Adolf Hitler as "proof" of your ridiculus claims, is inconceivable! Please take action, see some specialist, before the damage to your brain is irreversable. I'm not even going to bother with the other BS on "pureness" etc...

I dont think he deserved these words by  just claiming that you arent pure Aryans. He didnt defend or support Hitler (if he did, I would be the first person to reply his post with heavy insults)

Whatever kind of person Hitler was, he really had studied about a non-sense racist Aryan thingy, and according to him, Aryan was the superior European race, and he even considered the meditarrennean people of Spanish and Italians as Aryans. But he didnt consider Greeks as pure Aryans. It isnt such important what kind of categorization he used. But we know that it was about being pure Europeans. So even a guy like him could say that the Greeks arent pure Aryans.

He didnt even consider Iranians as Aryans. And he didnt consider Greeks as Aryans, but some Greeks still believe they are pure blooded Aryans... 

He thought the Albanians were aryan race but not the Greeks.