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    Posted: 23-Jan-2014 at 01:15
Da! I understand your position! You defend the "Status quo:"

Whereby I go the other way! Smile!

Bed time awaits!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2014 at 01:55
Originally posted by opuslola

Da! I understand your position! You defend the "Status quo:"

Whereby I go the other way! Smile!

Bed time awaits!

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I defend the status quo unless there is evidence to the contrary.
I would defend to the death your right to "go the other way".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2014 at 20:49
Originally posted by toyomotor

Originally posted by opuslola

Da! I understand your position! You defend the "Status quo:"

Whereby I go the other way! Smile!

Bed time awaits!

Ron


I defend the status quo unless there is evidence to the contrary.
I would defend to the death your right to "go the other way".
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As would I, my friend!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2014 at 21:25
Actually my friend, deep in your heart you know that there does actually have to a date so certain that all other dates are related!

There just has to be one and one only!

And deep down, you and all others also know it.
It is the only thing that can explain how all of the ancient worlds civilizations could have been put into a cohesive chronology!

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Originally posted by opuslola

Actually my friend, deep in your heart you know that there does actually have to a date so certain that all other dates are related!

There just has to be one and one only!

And deep down, you and all others also know it.
It is the only thing that can explain how all of the ancient worlds civilizations could have been put into a cohesive chronology!

Regards, Ron
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Well, you have a point there. In order to nominate a date, we must have a starting point to which it relates. When was the year zero? This is starting to make me shudder, I have to concede your point. I suppose we can take the birth of Jesus, however tenuous that may be, as the start point for all that's happened since, and therefore before the birth of JC. When was the Big Bang? Was there in fact a Big Bang?

I can only relate points in time to CE (or AD) and BCE (or BC). I suppose we have to take peoples word for it!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2014 at 13:27
Well Ian, think taking peoples word for it, is the problem.

It seems this problem was considered so important that Ecumenical Councils were started in an attempt to solve the problem and please as many folks as possible. I think our currently accepted history mentions at least three of them.

And, indeed the main problem concerning correct dating seems to have started with a good or even correct solution to the Paschal problem, or more properly, "The Paschal Cycle!"

So some groups consider this date as the solution to the connecting date or the "Zero year!"

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In the western Christian countries the accepted date we use is that (alleged-did you like that Ron?) birth of Jesus Christ. So we date everything from that point in time. Now, if anyone could prove that Jesus wasn't born, didn't exist or was born on another date, we'd all be in trouble. We'd have to use another date of an event which has been proven to have happened and is acceptable to the majority, and take that as Year 0.

Of course there are those who dispute any date as factual, but, thankfully, they're in the minority.

All things are relative, in this case, to a proven or accepted event in time.

Rascally Historical Revisionists will always dispute everything, knowing no peace and forever spinning in space, where there is no time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2014 at 02:49
RON: Do you really exist, or are you a figment of your own imagination? When were your born? What does Fomenko say about that? How did you arrive at that date, and is it acceptable to the Fomenko school of thought? You see, to accept your Fomenko views on dates and events in history, would be to argue against your very existence. You say, from memory, that you're 67 years of age, how do you know? By what date or event in history did you arrive at your birth date. If, instead of being a figment of your own imagination, you're a figment of mine, I'm in need of serious help.

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Yes Ian, you do need help, and I am here to help you, and others like you! Just follow the bouncing ball!   

The crazy thing is, that you know my point is a valid one, and one that is ignored by most people.

I do think that the only date that could link 1. the birth of JC; 2. the Egyptian world.; 3. the world of the Tigris and Euphrates.; 4. the Roman Empires. ; 5. the rest of the world!, is the dating of the Pashal/Easter, etc.!
And for centuries it seems it was determined by a small man.


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As you say, opuslola, the original AD dates were based on the date of the Crucifixion, gained by astronomical calculations, but later the date for Jesus' birth was used. Both dates are based on the date given in the New Testament for John the Baptist's ministry, and the length of Jesus'ministry (for his crucifixion) and the given age he was when he started preaching (for the date of his birth). However, the use of AD and BC are just ways of numbering the sequence of years. That sequence is independent of when Jesus was born, and no historical events are dated solely reliant upon that calculated date of birth. The AD/BC numbering is overlaid upon an existing, independent sequence of events. Those events are not created by the AD/BC usage. This is why it is possible to claim that Jesus was actually born 7-4 BC, or never existed at all, without it affecting the dating system.

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precise plus&minus 6 years Sidney!It depends of source they use.
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ok Ron/Opuslola, perhaps the answer is the zodiac (and also Draco/Ursa) or at least in the heavens (sort of like gps). Hancock and others showed how many nations myths and architecture etc encoded the numbers of zodiacal/precession (72, 432, etc). The only problem may be that disruptions of the crust/poles etc might change the dating? (It is possible that the alignments and slopes of the pyramids, and ziggurats, and stonehenge and megaliths reflect such practice/changes.

look at how alot of dates seem to be similar:
36525 yrs Egyptian, cro magnon "[30000s] yrs bc"
12000 yrs Zoroastrian, "4 calendars coincide: 11653 bc Mayan; 11652/11500 bc Hindu; 11542 bc Egyptian; 11542 bc Assyrian"; 11013 bc (camping);
12000 y.a. end ice age; great pyramid [10000s] bc, 9660 bc Zoroastrian; 9560 bc/9000 yrs Atlantis
8496 bc OttoMuck ,8498/8238 bc Maya; atlantis 8000 yrs,
5892 (lepsius), 5867 bc Menes (Champollion-Figeac); 5592 (clement), 5529 (theophilus), 5509/5508 [bc] (alexandria/byzanti/constantinople ((east)greek)/cunningham); 5503 bc Alexandrian; 5501/5500 [bc] (africanus/hippolytus/gregory /axum/bruce) , 5499 yrs/bc Africanus, 5493/5492 (panodorus/maximus/syncellus /ethiopian), 5492 bc Antioch, 5476/5478 (septuagint/sirius), 5469 (severus), 5411 bc Sept/Hale's; 5336 (isodore), 5228bc (eusebius), 5199 (latin/jerome/irish/agreda), 5195 bc Irish; 5... bc AngloSaxonChronicle;
4339bc (seder olam zutta), c4300/4241/4245 (samaritan), 4192 (scotus), 4138bc (creation clinton), 4058 (maimonides), 4026 ([ref fasold]/jw?), 4009 (ww), usher 4004 bc, jewish/thierring 4000 bc
3992 (kepler), 3974 (nbp/kjv), 3962 (tresham?), 3960 (lightfoot), 3952/3951 (bede/lapide), 3949 (scaliger/roman), 3929bc (Lightfoot), 3925/3924 (seder olam rabbah/massor), 3873bc (Abe 2023 after Adam + 1850bc), 3836 (helwig), 3761 bc (Jewish/halafta/Nippur) / 3751 (halafta/sor), nippur 3760 bc / naramsin/sippar 3750 bc, sesortosis 3712 bc; 3616 (heller);
3373/3114/3113/3104 bc Maya; 3189 bc (Atrahasis); 3102 bc Hindu, "menes 3100 bc", 3078bc (2nd conjunction)
Menes (Wilkinson) 2320 bc, menes 2300 bc [josephus "menes 1300 yrs before solomon", herodotus (1)1340 yrs], moslem Abraham 2300 bc, 2220/2285 bc Kutirnahunte (Asshurbanipal), 2234bc babylonian (Kallisthenes), 2224 bc Menes (Palmer), transit venus 2224 bc;
joseph 1876 bc , 1873 bc sothaic "12th dyn", [sesor-tosis 1837 bc (2500yrs/4=625yrs + 1212 bc)?]
ca 1400s bc : { moeris 900 yrs before amasis 2, atlantis 900 years before amasis 2, moses 480+[490] yrs before necho, hercules 900 yrs before Amasis 2 }; c1400/1394bc long night Peru.
"8th cent bc Venus tabs", 1st olympiad 776 bc, spring & autumn annals 776 bc?, rome 753/747 bc, 751 bc Aztec 5th cycle began; {numa, hezekiah, nabonasar 747 bc}, velikovsky mars/venus 721 bc; 712 bc Assyrian; 710 bc 5 days added 52nd peruvian monarch;
velikovsky mars/venus 687 bc (Sennacherib, Bamboo books china), jimmu tenno 660 bc, asshurbanipal 650 bc, necho 600 bc, nephi 600 bc,
esdras 400 yrs messiah, ad 412 bk of mormon, ad 425 sanhedrin, grail 450/454 yrs ad, nabratein 494th yr,
"camlan/plague 537 ad", justinian plague, maelgwn/plague 547 ad
badon 554 ad, beranbury 556 ad
pontesburh 661 ad, 2nd Badon 665 ad (both 1st easter)
mountain of promise 1418/1421 ad, council constance
newton, fire london, annus mirabulis 1666
jack the ripper, ac doyle, rl stevenson

(disclaimer: i don't agree with the evolutionary dates, they just intersting coincidences, nor with the gentile dates before biblical (they are genuine but code not literal).)


4 world ages:
mexico: 4 suns
greek: 4 ages (gold silver/ethiopians bronze/brass/brazen iron)
zodiacal: 4 (leo taurus aquarius scorpio/aquilo/serpen)
bible: 4 beasts/metals (lion/gold bear/silver leopard/brass beast/iron)
bible: 4 rivers/lands eden (pison/havila/gold, gihon/cush, tigris/asshur, euphrates)
bible: 4 archangels (mich, gabriel, raphael, uriel)
bible: 4 horsemen apocalyse?
india: 4 yugas (satya/krita treta dwapara kali/dark)
[4 positions Ursa/plough?]
[4 positions sun zodiacal pictures?]
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What have I done??? Don't tell me that I've got other members now agreeing with you on the Fomenko thing?
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Originally posted by opuslola

Yes Ian, you do need help, and I am here to help you, and others like you! Just follow the bouncing ball!   

The crazy thing is, that you know my point is a valid one, and one that is ignored by most people.

I do think that the only date that could link 1. the birth of JC; 2. the Egyptian world.; 3. the world of the Tigris and Euphrates.; 4. the Roman Empires. ; 5. the rest of the world!, is the dating of the Pashal/Easter, etc.!
And for centuries it seems it was determined by a small man.


Ron


Ron, your points are valid only in that they serve to cause confusion. Life was much more simply before Fomenko came along. If in fact he did come along. And when was that again? Can you prove it? How?
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Sometimes confusion is only in the eye of the beholder.   

It was all made clear by the little guy, Petavius!

How about the four cardinal directions.

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How about the four cardinal directions?

They haven't changed, up, down, left, right.
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forward&backward work for 3D-space movements also.
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Originally posted by toyomotor

What have I done??? Don't tell me that I've got other members now agreeing with you on the Fomenko thing?


if you are mean my post, I don't agree with communistic Fomenko or Opuslola that history only dates from christ/charlemange/gutenberg. [edit post: only calling Fomenko communistic not our friend Ron.] I just don't support the modern orthodox evolutinary/"geological" or egyptological theoretical scheme either though, nor the gentile Egyptian/etc exagerated dates, thats all. River lays between the 2 banks. Compare the quick examples from different egypt-bible schemes

mainstream/orthodox chronology:
11/12th -- patriarchs?
15/16th -- joseph
18th -- moses (old/alt)
18th (amarna) -- joshua (old)
19th -- moses (1200s)
19th -- israel
19/20th -- saul/philistines
21st -- david (1000s)
22nd -- shishak/zerah (900s)
25th -- so/tirhakah/assyrian
26th -- necho (600)

courville's/crisler's:
mesolithic -- postflood
late uruk -- babel
5th/12th -- joseph
6th/13th -- moses
fip/sip -- judges
18th -- shishak
19th -- hezekiah

hoeh's chronology (incomplete):
3rd/4th/12th -- joseph
5th/13th -- moses
7th -- joshua
18th -- sheba/shishak

velikovsky's/glascow chronology
13th -- moses (1400s?)
15/16 -- judges
15/16/18th -- saul
18th -- sheba/ano
18th -- shishak/ano
18th -- zerah
18th (amarna) -- jehoshaphat
[22nd -- so?]
19th/26th -- necho,hophra (600)
19/20th/27th/31st (seapeoples/persians) -- persians

[Moller's]/Wyatt's/[Patterson's]:
3rd/5th -- Joseph
18th -- Moses


fomenko chronology:
none before charlemagne (800)

opuslola's/ron's chronology:
[sea peoples ~ crusaders?]
none before gutenberg

rohl's chronology:
11th/12th -- joseph (1800s)
(12th)/13th -- moses
15/16th -- joshua
18th (amarna) -- saul/david
19th/[20th?] -- shishak (eg isaac newton)
[22nd -- so?]
22nd/23rd -- phoenicians

prometheo's/Drnhawkins chronology:
1st -- Abraham
3rd -- Joseph
12th/13th -- Moses/exodus
15th/16th -- joshua/saul
18th -- david
18th -- sheba
18th -- shishak

david down's:
12th -- moses

boysen's:
18th (nefertiti) -- sheba

arthur-robin's/sean's chronology:
menes not before 2300 bc
1st -- abraham/chedorlaomer (2000s)
3rd(-4th) -- joseph (1800s)
khety -- kohath?
12th/atlantis -- moses (1400s)
... ...
18th (amarna) -- david (1000s)
19th -- shishak/ano (1000s/900s)
19th/20th (mernptah/osarsiph) -- zerah/menelik
21st?/22nd?//25th? -- so
26th -- necho (600)

(others not included/done/finished include compton's, bristowe's, peter jame's, clarity's/engelbrite's, garstang's)


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As i see,problem is the zero point!
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it must lay in the stars or zodiac (& monuments). Genesis 1 "for times and seasons". the lists of coinciding dates show there definitely was a common reference point, we just haven't yet decrypted it.
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