Uyghur-Chinese relations

When ths subject is the ethinicity of Turkey everybody becomes  master of the subject. Some of the members take the revenge of their ancestors by these kind of humiliating posts and consider turks as the only mixed nation.  

Sarmat everybody knows that turks are not a pure nation. But this is also true for all other nations. A word like "hodge podge" is also an  unsuitable type of comparison. Everybody in this forum must notice that we all have a nation pride and these kind of words hurts this pride.  

Originally posted by Bulldog He called Turks "mutts", I think it is pretty racist and derogatory, if we started calling Chinese names I don't think he'd be very happy.

One of my coworker was an Uygur from China.  He can easily pass for Turkish or Persian.  But, funny thing was during lunch, he sometimes shared with me his meals.  Some of his noodle and dumpling dishes look similar to what Chinese eat (exception being most of his meat consist of lamb).  There is another Uygur from China (Wu Arkaishi) who led the 1989 Beijing student demonstration, if you look at his face, he can easily pass for Chinese.  Uygurs are very mixed people in terms of facial feature.  In terms of genetics, Uygur and Uzbek are some of the most mixed and heterogenous in terms of Y chromosome (paternal genetics).  About 10%-15% of Uygur paternal genetics have the O3/O3a5 markers. This the same marker that is shared by 60-80% of both northern and southern Chinese.  It is not surprising given how many different peoples pass through and settled along the silk road in the past.

Originally posted by Sarmat   I don't agree.   Japanese and Chinese languages are mutually not intelligible. Yes, Chinese and Japanese can guess the probable meaning of the written passages in another language, but here the connection ends. And although, most of the Japanese words have Chinese origin they are pronounced very different from a contemporary Chinese. It will take many years for a Chinese to become fluent in Japanese language.   By contrast, Turkish and Uyghyr language do share some degree of mutual intelligibilty and it will take a short time of the speakers of both languages to become complitely fluent in anothr.   The genetic connection of Japanese and Chinese is minimum. By contrast Uyghyrs and Turks come from the same ancestors.   Historical connection as I said, Turks and Uyghyrs view their past in the terms of their common Turkic origins, byt contrast despite of the adobtion of the most civilizational values by Japan from China, historical memories of both countries about themselves are rather bitter than positive.

Originally posted by dick   Thats not go over this again. Uighur and Turk is unintelligible too, in fact cantonese and mandarin is unintelligible, so what is your point? I've already said this, its the script which united China, not the language.

Originally posted by dick     Originally posted by dick Seems that you need to upgrade your knowledge about the things Chinese. The overwhelming majority of Taiwanese  never deny that they are Chinese. Even the excentric presiden Chen Shuibian said that both the Mainlanders and Taiwanese are descendants of the Yellow emperor. Those nationalists just don't want to be a part of political entity called PRC. Moreover, there different terms that are used to for a notion "Chinese" in the Chinese universe. What Taiwanese use is Huaren, which means Chinese in a cultural sense, why they don't want to be called Zhongguo ren (Chinese in a more political sense, Zhongguo literally means the Middle Kingdom i.e. Chinese state) since it could imply a connection to the Mainland China i.e. the PRC.   Please don't tell me what to do. Your Chinese history is far below my level. The disparity is prodigious. No. Chen Shui Bian wanted independence from China period. Han ren is just an ethnic group, not a nation. The Americans are also Anglo Saxon, not British. Most Taiwanese today clearly don't think they are chinese, which is zhongguoren.

Dick try and enlighten us with your superior knowledge. this is what the forum is for, don't hold back we can keep up with anything new you share with us.

 Taiwanese think they are 'Chinese' ive never met one that would say otherwise, that goes for others from ASEAN or born in the west. They are not a part of the PRC which doesnt preclude them from their linguistic, cultural and ethnic roots. However there will always be confusion with westerners on Han ren, Hua ren or Zongguo ren, especially if people like you try to use one exclusivley to translate 'chinese'. All are correct in their own way.  In english this difference is normally infered within context of what being said, instead of those  more specific labels.

Originally posted by man2rk Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by calvo Despite recent protests in Tibet stir up international sensation, the largest ethnic minority in China is actually the Uyghurs (how do you pronounce it?), a Turkic-Muslim people. the largest minoirty is the tai Zhuang group not the uighers.     The most of the Zhuang living in China are sinicized, they couildn't speak their own language and their names are just Chinese.

20 million speakers, the language shift from one to the other is not complete yet - just in the urban areas. You may not see it in the rural parts. Any language lost is nothing to be happy about.

http://www.linguapax.org/congres04/pdf/prosser.pdf