Islam and The World

Thank you Mira for your short but highly-benificial post.

Originally posted by Maju No I mean stoning of women for supposed adultery which is in most case just rape. I mean Amina Lawal, I mean the burka, I mean women not being able to drive in Saudi Arabia. Those are legal precepts under several "sharias".

Ok, I was expecting you to use this example, that is why I said my statement "do you mean a law that targets both sexes?"  Though stonning to death for adultery is disputed between Muslims and we have talked about it at AE three times at least (go back to old posts for details),  Also, those states that practice this law on all citizens do practice it on proven cases and not on rape cases as you claimed. You cannot use this example to point out Women oppression because simply those states that practice such a punishment have the verdict of law on both sexes. Both married sexes who commit adultery are expected to receive the same punishment. So this example does not work in supporting your argument.

Women not being able to drive in Saudi Arabia is not part of Shariah and those scholars who decided such a decision will not be able to point one statement in the Quran or the Hadith is support of their decision. Rather they used the notion that if women were to drive, they will be out driving, and if they were out driving, they might be attacked, raped..etc They call this Qiyas and Jame' or measurement and consensus where laws can be passed by measuring or having a consensus. So obviously it is not a scripture order at all and definitely not in the Quran as you claimed.

As you see it is a twisted logic and interpretation and not surprisingly only Saudi Arabia of the whole Muslim world practice this. I expect such a law to be nolified and cancelled by no more than 20 years from now.

and I hate to look like an attacker on Christianity, but Im just following the flow of your argument. Let us clean the Gospel out of all the indirect statement of Jesus Peace Be Upon Him and leaves his "direct quote". What will you get? 10 pages Gospel maybe? Also since you are raised in a Christian society, I assume automatically that you already know that this Paul you call his quotes hateful and dogmatic, is considered generally the real founder of Christianity. You calling Paul words not God word, means they are man words simply Maju, thus destroying the whole concept of the holy spirit revelation. So if Paul words are not God word, then this also should apply to all books including Matthew, Luke, John, Mark...etc

Islam oppsessed with commandments and rituals? Do you mean Sunnahs? When you are advised how to eat, how to dress, what to say, these are recommendations and not obligations called "Sunnahs". If you think that Islam is oppsessed with rituals, what is wrong with this anyhow? Does anyone here object to Bhuddist monks who practice rituals 24 hours a day? eating only one meal a day? chanting all day long?

So praying 5 times a day where each prayer takes you 10 minutes, so a total of 50 minutes in your whole day is too much? Let us double it to an hour and 40 minutes a day in total. Does this bother anyone here? I prefer spending this time in spritual solitude or reflections rather than setting and watching TV with a beer in my hand.

        "As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for the Spirit."

http://www.wolflodge.org/sananda/lost-years-of-jesus.htm

Havent read his response, but women in Saudi Arabia wear face covers generally, which reduces their peripheral vision. To be honest, i'd have second thoughts about letting them drive, since peripheral vision is important for driving. Also from what I know, it's only Saudi that stop women from driving.

Hmm...muslims trying to quote the Bible! AAHHH! Whats next!

-No but on a serious note you have used this scripture way out of context. In the book of Timothy Paul is writing the young believer(it states "genuine child in the faith") Timothy on ways that he should be familiar with when inside the congregation:

1 Timothy 3:14-15

I am writing you these things, though I am hoping to come to you shortly, but in case I am delayed, that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in God's household, which is the congregation of [the] living God, a pillar and support of the truth.

-A couple of other verses that were right before the verses you posted:

1 Timothy 2:8-10

Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hand, apart from wrath and debates. Likewise I desire the women to adorn themselves in well arranged dress, with modesty and soundness fo mind, not with styles of hairbraiding and gold or pearls or very expensive garb, but in the way that befits women professing to reverence  God, namely, through good works.

-So you see Paul is explaining in the following text(the one you have quoted) that women should not be teachers of the congregation and should thus just learn in silence(meaning not to profess or teach). Something that I would agree with at the time seeing as how there were no female teachers of any religion at that time, at least to my knowledge. Not in any way is Paul reffering to the stoning of women is he? Something that is in Islamic doctrine. Also in the Bible it refers to such things as men being the head of the household. I also too believe that the man should be at the head of the household as well as at the head of the congregation. The Bible does not teach superiority over women, but it does definately state the differences in their makeup and their general character and leadership skills. Both sexes are seen as equal and essential, they just play different roles. 

Cordoba, Baghdad in Abbasid Period, Jerusalam of Calilphate Era...

Algebra? Do you know it is an Arabic word?

Norweigan mate, have you Viking guys invented any kinda science like Arabs invented Maths?

The sound of Azaan.I don't like people who use loudspeakers in Mosques.

The war was not a war of christianity. It was a war between the 2 peoples. This "war" on the USA is a islamic jihad on the west. So they are different.