Ottoman Empire should be included here also

I have read some papers and a book of a guy named Prof. Ilber Ortayli.

Do not worry, he is not an extremist guy. He always mentions that Ottoman Empire was the third Roman Empire. Well many things were inherited from Roman Empire for sure. The style of the mosques, architecture, state organization, army organization, etc...

What do you think?

Roman-Byzantium influence in Ottoman Empire is undeniable, i've read the the Turkish bath is probably the closest thing to the Roman take on the matter, but the title 'third Rome' usualy goes to Russia/Moscow for whatever reasons.

Anyways, for convenience sake, it goes in the 'Islamic Empires' forum, likewise Russia goes 'Imperial age'.

Perhaps Moscow can be the third Rome in a city sense, but it is undeniable and it doesnt take an extremist when studying the Ottomans to see the influence that they received from Rome.

Turkey today is not the inheritor of Rome, we all in the West are, but i believe the Ottoman Empire has a strong case for it.

Ottoman Empire was more Roman than Islamic for sure in my opinion. It was never an islamic empire actually. The people in the Balkans was not forced for conversion, unlike the other islamic empires.

Janissary was some kind of a Legionarry.

99% of the mosques in Turkey are influenced by Hagia Sophia Church.

Turkish Arts Music is coming from Roman Rituals, you should listen it, especially while drinking raki.ouzo/wine and eating fish .

 

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Originally posted by HulaguHan He always mentions that Ottoman Empire was the third Roman Empire. Well many things were inherited from Roman Empire for sure. The style of the mosques, architecture, state organization, army organization, etc... What do you think?

Well, I quite fail to understand why anybody wants to be the Third Rome.I think the Turkish people have enough things to be proud of in their own unique culture, and don't need to be the sequel to a sequel.
This whole thing about the 1st,2nd and 3rd Rome in any case is so incredible superficial, is just a catching headline, and doesn't really mean anything. Each nation that was previously conquered by the Romans absorbed some aspects of its culture. The Byzantine Empire in its last centuries, when the Turks came in contact with it, in any case had very little resemblance with the Roman Empire at its height, it was Greek and neither shared religion, language or most of its people with the First Rome. Even if the Byzantine Empire understood itself in the Roman tradition, it was Roman only by name.

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Originally posted by HulaguHan Ottoman Empire was more Roman than Islamic for sure in my opinion. It was never an islamic empire actually. The people in the Balkans was not forced for conversion, unlike the other islamic empires.

Tell that to my people(Albanians) who were slaughtered and raped until conversions. The smart ones left for Italy Sicily.

Originally posted by Qnzkid711 Originally posted by HulaguHan Ottoman Empire was more Roman than Islamic for sure in my opinion. It was never an islamic empire actually. The people in the Balkans was not forced for conversion, unlike the other islamic empires.   Tell that to my people(Albanians) who were slaughtered and raped until conversions. The smart ones left for Italy Sicily.

then why they still muslims?

 

 

 

 

At least their not walking around in skirts. 

Originally posted by Christscrusader Parents choice, of course, isn't that how most religion is passed on?

yes

but if you are a grown up man and knew that this religion was forced on you and it is not suitable for you why are you keep practicing it?

why Albanians with all these suffering just because they are muslims still muslims

i guess the raping and the killing these days not to force them to become muslims , its the other way around

and they still muslims and increasing.

 

 

 

 

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If anyone is the successor to the Byzantine Empire it is the Ottoman Empire. Russia's case is really weak. This is the majority view among Ottoman historians from anywhere as well, as far as I can tell. I've read it from many sources, including Ortayli, Lewis and Hobsbawm.

On the other hand, I think the OE is also an Islamic Empire, and its identity as an Islamic Empire takes precedence over its other facets, including its 'Turkishness' or 'Romanness'. So I see nothing wrong with placing the OE under Islamic Empires.

Finally, since the Byzantine Empire is not considered 'western' I don't see how the OE being its successor would make Turks western. Sounds like a flimsy excuse to attack people...