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    Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 15:45

hi, this is my first post/thread here.

i'm making a "mod" for a strategy game and was wondering... does anybody have any information on the native american indian tribes such as the different weapons/armor the tribes used, the different warriors/cavalry of the tribes, what the chiefs looked like(clothing)?. also wonder one thing about the mexica: what did the otomi warriors look like?

would be really nice of you. btw awsome forum(awsome place of info).

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 16:22
Originally posted by Markolitos

also wonder one thing about the mexica: what did the otomi warriors look like.

By refering to Mexica Otomis I presume you are talking about the Otomitl

A lot of military historians have confused the Mexica Otomitl warriors and the Otomis because of the similarity of pronunciation, Cortez in his fourth letter makes this very observation. The Otomitl were an elite order of Mexica troops similar to the Cuachics.

The Otomi were a native peoples who residence in the valley of Mexico and around stretches back possibly to the time of Teotihuacan and before. They shared the area with subsequent migrants right upto and including the Chichimecs. There was a substantial number of Otomis in Tlaxcala and they had a large city on the North of lake Texcoco called Xaltcan but there were only a few living in Tenochtitlan. The Otomis of Tlaxcala were the first troops of that city to engage the Spanish. Later however the whole Otomi people allied with them against the Mexica.

 

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 19:17
Im more of an artist than a writer, I wish I could show you some of my well researched drawings...well specify some more tribes or nations Ill probably be able to help you with most North American tribes and Im sure Jalisco could give you much good information as well.
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  Quote Markolitos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 06:11

thanks for the info on otomitl, but dont the otomi have some kinda of warriors to(shaven head)?

here are some of the tribes im wondering about: Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, pawnee, Shoshone, Creek, Sioux, Crow, Seminole, Cree, Navajo and Blackfoot(i know, it's a long list). any kind of info on how the warriors and their chiefs looked and the armor/weapons they used would be really good.

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 14:35

The Otomi were a diverse people most of there settlements were subject to the Triple Alliance. However they were also spread over Totonac, Tlacallan and Tarascan lands too. And like the other sunject peoples would have contributed to their campaign armies. They were a semi-barbaric tribe and  particularly sought amongst their warriors were the famed shaven headed fanatics who served in Triple Alliance, Tarascan and Tlaxcallan armies. However as a subject people they were quick to embrace the Spanish as their liberators and not only helped them defeat the Aztecs proved to be some of the Spanish's finest allies in later campaigns.



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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 19:18
Originally posted by Markolitos

thanks for the info on otomitl, but dont the otomi have some kinda of warriors to(shaven head)?

here are some of the tribes im wondering about: Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, pawnee, Shoshone, Creek, Sioux, Crow, Seminole, Cree, Navajo and Blackfoot(i know, it's a long list). any kind of info on how the warriors and their chiefs looked and the armor/weapons they used would be really good.

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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 19:56
Hola Markolitos:

so you decided to use to Cuahutemoc as you avatar ?

For more reference in regards Mesoamerican warfare, you can take a look on this previous post ( Mayan, Aztec, Incan Warfare ):

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1310&PN= 1&TPN=1

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  Quote Markolitos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 06:26

lets say pre contact weapons. wouldnt post be like only shotguns and other western weapons? or did they upgrade their old ones? anyhow id like the pre contact. thanks for helping

thanks jalisco, but does it say anything about the different warriors of Maya? maybe i didnt read it thouroughly enough...



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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 12:21

Maya ?
Are you looking for uniforms, banners ?
Let me see what I can get for you.
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  Quote Markolitos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 17:12

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer


Maya ?
Are you looking for uniforms, banners ?
Let me see what I can get for you.
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That would be awsome! thanks!

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  Quote SulcataIxlude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Feb-2005 at 01:28

Here is a interesting web page about tomahawks (has some good pictures too.)

http://www.snowwowl.com/naarttomahawk.html

Here is some info about Comanche weapons, and culture

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/comanche.h tml

The handbook of Texas can help you find some information regarding some of the Indian tribes that your looking for.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/PP/ bmp52.html

Sorry if this wasn't much help, but if I find anything else I'll let you know.

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http://eagle.uaa.alaska.edu/as200/tlingit_se.htm
You might want to do an internet search for the plains indians such as the blackfeet in Montana or the Apache in Arizonia/New Mexico. Do you want pre Columbian or Post? Of course, in the pre period there were no horses. My favorite is the coastal tribes of Oregon, Washington and B.C. Canada. They lived in permanent settlements along the coast and their homes were made of planked cedar. Until the arrival of the white man they used wooden armour in battle and they had long war canoes made of planked wood, cedar. They were often come back from battle with their enemies head as a trophy, sort of like what the Celts did. Their art is incredible!!!
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What is a "mod"?
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"mods" are modifications to an original release of a game by one person or a team that put their work together to make even a larger change.
Anyone can do it.
Mods come in various sizes, can be a simple adjustment or large one that changes the game significantly.

The most famous one being Counter Strike which was a mod to Half Life.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Feb-2005 at 23:47

Originally posted by eaglecap

http://eagle.uaa.alaska.edu/as200/tlingit_se.htm
You might want to do an internet search for the plains indians such as the blackfeet in Montana or the Apache in Arizonia/New Mexico. Do you want pre Columbian or Post? Of course, in the pre period there were no horses. My favorite is the coastal tribes of Oregon, Washington and B.C. Canada. They lived in permanent settlements along the coast and their homes were made of planked cedar. Until the arrival of the white man they used wooden armour in battle and they had long war canoes made of planked wood, cedar. They were often come back from battle with their enemies head as a trophy, sort of like what the Celts did. Their art is incredible!!!

 

I agree that pacific northwest indians rock, but my favorite is still eastern woodlands because of the iroquois

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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2005 at 14:08
I have Iriquois ancestry but it goes way back to the mid 1700's on my Dutch side. My Dutch ancestors came to America in the late 1600's. Their last name was Van Houten so that is as Dutch as you can get.

The Apache spoke Turkic dialect but I am not sure if the Black Feet did or not. Both of these tribes were known for being great warriors in battle.
Funny, when I lived in Montana some of the tribes had more hate for each other than the white man! (???)
I know that the Salish Indians, a more peaceful tribal group, avoided the Black Feet. The Flat Head moved to the other side of the Rockies to avoid them. The Salish dwelt in permanent homes and were not nomadic like the Plains Indians. See the Cataldo Mission for a good source on the Salish tribes. I worked there one summer.
http://www.studentresources.mrpete.net/LRCoastalSalish.html
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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 00:27
Here is a web site on weapons if you are still looking!!

http://www.garyhendershott.com/productsearchlist.cfm?SearchT ext=tomahawk,knife,spear
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  Quote Markolitos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2005 at 09:42
thanks alot, very helpfull!
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Here are some web sites for First Nations weapons:

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