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Topic: How long did the Roman Empire survive? Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 16:13 |
In your opinion. From when to when?
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Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 16:19 |
From 146 B.C. up to the 5th century.
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Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 17:13 |
How about Roman civilization? How long would you say that lasted....
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Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 20:58 |
Roman civilization? Wouldn't it still be considered going strong?
The Western Roman empire lasted up until about...456? 476 AD? And the Eastern Empire survived on until sometime in the mid 1400s, I believe, so you coudl say it lasted over a 1000 years. maybe even pushing 1500?
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Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 21:50 |
Roman Civilization never ended. It just transformed in other things. Latin language, for example, is still alive in the Romance languages of Southern Europe. Roman rituals are preserved by the Catholic church. Roman literature, engineering and arts become Western.
In the East, become The Bizantine Empire, and then transformed into Russia.
In the West still exists as part of the Roman Catholic church bureocracy and customs. Most Western European countries has a Roman heritage as well.
For example, it is curious that the Roman province of Hispania become Spain and Portugal, and that at the times of the Conquist, those people believed somehow they were the inheritors of the "Romans", with language, art, literature included.
So, in a certain way, Rome never ended. It is part of the mentality in Britain, France, Italy, Iberia, Russia and all other Western countries and it was the model for the Colonialism.
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Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 23:04 |
Rome influenced the West, it still exists today in many ways like Pinguin said. It also has had a good influence on the English language too. I can't imagine what the world would be today without the Roman Empire. Imagine our architecture and language without their influence? It's be a whole new world.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 01:08 |
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 01:15 |
I agree with Pinguin, Roman Civilization never ended, many of Rome's invaders, including Germans, even practiced Roman customs.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 01:28 |
1453AD official fall of the Roman Empire, with the fall of the last capital and the death of the last Emperor. Roman civilization is still there in many ways.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 04:49 |
In my opinion the Western Roman Empire ended when Odoacer took the throne. At the moment that a person who cosidered himslef to be non-Roman took the throne, the Empire of old came to and end, and a new phase started.
On the other hand, rulers and peoples from Clovis to Charlemagne to Otto to Barbarossa considered themselves the worthy sucessors of the Roman Emperors. So there is a gap here between what people themselves saw at the time and the judgements we can now make with hindsight.
As for the Eastern Empire. I am not too well into it, but in my opinion it would be the same. The moment the last Greek/Roman Empreror was replaced by a nongreek/roman. (would that be Sulyman?)
Originally posted by pinguin
In the East, become The Bizantine Empire, and then transformed into Russia. |
Eh? How?
Personally I do not believe in the Roman Cultural legacy. It was more than 1500 years ago. I am convinced we picked up a lot more essentials in later times than we retained from Roman times. And most of what we do still seem to have is conceived rather than real or realistic. Our perception of what the Romans were, or what we want them to be, washed through 1500 years of history.
edited - to correct my horrible English into understandable sentences (and failure to do so)
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 05:38 |
Originally posted by pinguin
In the East, become The Bizantine Empire, and then transformed into Russia.
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Moscow didn't become the next Rome, even if their church may have you believe it. Russia became the next orthodox power but thats the only connection i can think of with East Rome. When Mehmed II conquered The City, he ended the roman imperial throne in its entirety while the Roman arch-patriarchy survived.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 08:17 |
hmmm......it depends what you mean by the empire, if you mean a Roman
state ruled by an emperor then it starts with the reign of Augustus in
27BC and goes too the fall of Constantinople in 1453AD or a
little bit further to the collapse of the "empire" of trebizond in 1461
AD, if you go by the collapse of the empire of trebizond then that is
1488 years! if you mean the state of Rome starting with the foundation
of the city, which according to legend took place in 753 BC (historians
are unsure exactly when Rome was founded but date it to the same
century as the myth) and ending again with either 1453AD or 1461AD with
the slightly larger of the two potential time frames bieng 2214
years!!!! If you mean Roman culture then the number is far larger as
others have pointed out that its still going but a culture is not an
empire so the answer has been provided (in some cases approximately) by
this information.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 11:25 |
Originally posted by Leonidas
Originally posted by pinguin
In the East, become The Bizantine Empire, and then transformed into Russia.
| Moscow didn't become the next Rome, even if their church may have you believe it. Russia became the next orthodox power but thats the only connection i can think of with East Rome.
When Mehmed II conquered The City, he ended the roman imperial throne in its entirety while the Roman arch-patriarchy survived.
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He proclaimed his self Ceasar remember but If he took Italy and Rome would he be realy Ceaser?
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Posted: 28-Mar-2007 at 23:12 |
I am taking Henri Pirenne's views and say that not just Rome, but the classical world ended when Islam conquered North Africa and the Near East which has ruptured the Roman mare nostrum
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Posted: 30-Mar-2007 at 14:51 |
People need to distinguish between empire and culture. They are not one and the same, in fact they can be very mutually exclusive. Empire is physical control, culture is a way of life.
The Roman Empire ended with the deposing of the last emperor(476 and 1453, respectively). As for culture, that is a matter of debate...
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Posted: 31-Mar-2007 at 12:16 |
I would also say 146BC - 1453AD. Just wanted to see what the majority believes.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2007 at 19:02 |
Latin Roman empire 146 B.C. - 476A.D.
Greek Roman empire 476 A.D. - 1453 A.D.(especially after 620 A.D. )
Edited by Athanasios - 30-Apr-2007 at 19:05
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Posted: 01-May-2007 at 04:27 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
As for the Eastern Empire. I am not too well into it, but in my opinion it would be the same. The moment the last Greek/Roman Empreror was replaced by a nongreek/roman. (would that be Sulyman?)
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I would say that after the fall of Constantinople there were in Europe still three entities pretending to be the heirs and somehow the continuators of the Roman Empire: the Habsburgs in Austria, who up to 1800 AD beared the title of Holy Roman Emperor, the Tzars in Russia, who from Peter the Great on called themselves "Imperator" (the Latin way) and the Ottoman Sultans, who beared, amongst others of course, also the title of Qaisar-i-Rum.
These multinational Empires lasted up to WW1, so only after WW1 there were no more heirs of Roman Empire at all. What do you think about?
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Posted: 01-May-2007 at 04:32 |
I should have added the Spanish Empire too .
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Posted: 01-May-2007 at 04:50 |
And kaiser the german . A great deal of europe continued to have the holy roman empire theme if even partly.
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