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Topic: Full blooded people, and Middleeaster people Posted: 12-May-2007 at 05:59 |
Thats basicly the influence of American culture. They made Caucasoid into Caucasian, and then excluded the people they didn't like, this formed the basis for US immigration policy for ages. There is a famous case of a man from India who sucessfully argued in a US court that he was, by they own criteria a Caucasoid/Caucasian, and thus was eligible to migrate to the US, but was still refused for basicly not being European or Christian enough (difficult to say as Asyrian Christians were accepted as early as the 1860s as immigrants, and Arab Americans are still expected to tick Caucasian in teh census forms). This policy maybe long dead, but the legacy exists with corrupt definition of Caucasian, and the influence of US culture does the rest. So now we have the odd person in the UK, 100% English, talking about how 'ethnicly caucasian' they are, we should ask them about Adigha and see what they say
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Posted: 11-May-2007 at 21:52 |
What gets me is when the police issue a suspect description for a west european they call them a "white Caucasian male", but if it was an Armenian who they were looking for it'd be a "man of middle eastern appearance"
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Posted: 11-May-2007 at 16:48 |
I have heard people say Caucausians are from the Caucaus mountain |
Caucasians obviously are, real Caucasians that is, which rules out the majority of the N. American and European population.
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 17:10 |
Well yes, that is true - but I have heard the counter argument used that all mammals also descend from the same animal, which is a fact and it does not destroy the argument that we are different from other mammals.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is that whatever the given facts are certain people will always seek to create a rapture with which to divide themselves from others. Even if we all looked more or less from the same race (used purely in today's sociological terms), then people would distinguish themselves by language or something else. Racism, in one form or other will always exist, in fact, broadly speaking, religious intolerance is a form of it.
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 16:49 |
It pretty much destroys the racists arguments that were somehow different "races" of people.
We all have the same ancestor, started from one man and woman and so were the same race, we migrated far and wide, adopted to different geographical regions, started developing in these areas after a while got a bit confused and started wild conspiracies about our neighbours...sounds typically human
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 14:50 |
Those areas are where distinct cultures and languages arose, not that that is where the people came into being... i.e. when they became isolated they developed distinctly. That our ancestors migrated from Africa is supported by archaeological, linguistic and genetic evidence.
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 14:28 |
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African doesn't always mean black people or "negroid" as science call it...Does it? Because I've seen all different types of people in Africa and i was wondering was it always like that? Because i mean i heard that African is where humanity began.....But i also heard that people like the asians (mongols) came from Asia, Caucasians came from the Caucus mountains, etc......So if everyone came from Africa, why do they also say that people came from different parts of the world? That really confuses me......
This is what really confuses me aswell!!!
I've been thinking about it for some time, I have heard people say Caucausians are from the Caucaus mountain, Aryan are from somewhere else, Altaic are from Altai and so on. They say, oh but nation X cannot of been there because nation X originates in region A, Nation Y originates in region B.
I'm starting to think, its all nonsense, if were all from Africa, how can we also be different races if we all the same race and have the same anscentors.
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 12:04 |
Yeah, you are what again yaar? Scots-Irish-Iraqi-Muhajir-Balcohi-Sindhi.
Nothing north of Multan in Pakistan. My own is Pakhtun (from Waziristan) and my mom a Punjabi-Muhajir mix. fairly standard for Pakistan I might add.
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Posted: 05-May-2007 at 07:47 |
I object. I am a full blooded Omar.
I am also a full blooded middle easter person. As one half of my family is from the middle east and the other half celebrates easter. 0.5 + 0.5 = 1!
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Posted: 04-May-2007 at 17:47 |
Not really no, as there is no way of defining a 'pure' individual in genetic terms, and in terms of blood its a joke.
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Posted: 04-May-2007 at 06:00 |
Sorry i was just wondering is there anyway a person can check like with a blood test to see if they are a of a full blooded race?
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Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 23:25 |
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I dont think there is pure race becouse people moved place to place in the old days so they couldnt stay pure blooded mexican or afrikan etc. |
true, unless there is other groups of people that haven't been discovered yet and that have never traveled out of their area, or never had anyone who weren't apart of their group find them.....
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Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 19:42 |
I dont think there is pure race becouse people moved place to place in the old days so they couldnt stay pure blooded mexican or afrikan etc.
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Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 19:25 |
Some places of Spain has that "look" because the migration of Middle Easterns during most of history, including, Phoenicians, Jews, Carthagenians, Syrians, Palestineans and many others, and also the permanent contact with the so called "Moors" (the people of Morocco) which are the Berbers of coastal Morroco, Algiers and Lybia. All the peoples around the Mediterranean sea have the same arab "look", including southern Italians, southern French, some Greeks, Palestineans, some Arabs, Jews of the region, etc.,
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Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 17:04 |
Originally posted by es_bih
Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika
Originally posted by Cent
"And now to my next question.....Why do alot of Middle Eastern people look like mixed African Americans? Or does it only appear that way to me?"
By mixed African Americans, I assume you mean mulatto.
Middle Eastern's do not look like mixed African Americans. Just go to Iran, Iraq or Kurdistan and you'll notice. |
The picture above is a group of terrorists
The man on the Bottom left on this picture and the man on the bottm right both look like African Americans.......Matter of fact one of my friend looks just like the guy on the bottom left and he's black and Domincian.....(my friend)
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Maybe because some of those people are black? |
The man on the bottom left is Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, bomber of the American ambassies in Nairobi and Dar el-Salam. He is from the Comoros islands in the Indian pacific which is the worst genetic mess you can imagine with Somalian, Mozambican, Arabs, Indians and European mix... So the man is black kind of. That said according to Pr. Cavalero-Sforza, as there have been no bottle necks in African for thousands of years, there is no continents in the world with more gentical diversity. It means that if you do 100km in Europe people will tend to have a fairly similar genetical profile, while if you cross the same distance in Africa, they may well be extremely diffrent. That said if you want to see people looking middle eastern-ish go to Spain or Portugal, once in a while in the streets of Lisbon you may belive you are in Damascus. Maybe your friend looks arab because he has Spanish origins and not because he has African origins.
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 13:15 |
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Maybe because some of those people are black? |
Three at the most...
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 09:44 |
Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika
Originally posted by Cent
"And now to my next question.....Why do alot of Middle Eastern people look like mixed African Americans? Or does it only appear that way to me?"
By mixed African Americans, I assume you mean mulatto.
Middle Eastern's do not look like mixed African Americans. Just go to Iran, Iraq or Kurdistan and you'll notice. |
The picture above is a group of terrorists
The man on the Bottom left on this picture and the man on the bottm right both look like African Americans.......Matter of fact one of my friend looks just like the guy on the bottom left and he's black and Domincian.....(my friend)
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Maybe because some of those people are black?
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Posted: 29-Jan-2007 at 00:03 |
WOW THANX....Just out of Curiosity what race would the Governmental systems put these "Ab Origines" in?
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Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.
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Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 10:04 |
Pure race? This thread builds on so many misconceptions I don't even know where to begin, without even so much as a definition of "race" or even more importantly "pure race".
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Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 13:58 |
WOW THANX....Just out of Curiosity what race would the Governmental systems put these "Ab Origines" in? |
Many countries don't actualy bother with race on the census, and there is often poor consistancy between one country and another (amoungst those that do) in terms of how they do it. I guess that means that if you have a beurocracy backed by an army, you can just make it up as you go along.
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