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    Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 14:03

Attacks on Muslims rise after veils row

By Jason Bennetto, Ian Herbert and Jeremy Clarke

Published: 14 October 2006

Islamophobic attacks have surged in the past month in the wake of controversial remarks by ministers about British Muslims, say campaign groups.

The rise in verbal and physical assaults includes a spate of incidents in which Muslim women have been abused for wearing veils and scarves. They come in the week that the issue was raised by Jack Straw, the Leader of the Commons.

Muslim groups blame part of the rise in incidents, which also include assaults, firebombings and racist e-mails, on comments made by politicians and negative media reporting.

At least six Muslim women have been abused for wearing scarves or veils after Mr Straw said last week that he asks Muslim women who visit his constituency surgeries in Blackburn to remove their veil.

In one incident a Muslim woman aged in her 20s had her hijab or headscarf pulled off her head and thrown to the ground by a young white man while she was at Canning Town Tube station in east London. The attack happened on the same day that a Muslim woman had the veil torn from her face by a white man who uttered racial abuse as she waited at a bus- stop in Liverpool's Toxteth district. Both incidents occurred last Friday - the day after Mr Straw described the veil as, "a visible statement of separation".

There were also reports that a young Muslim girl wearing a veil in Mr Straw's Blackburn constituency was confronted by three youths last Friday night. One allegedly threw a newspaper at her and shouted: "Jack has told you to take off your veil."

Three days later, a 21-year-old Turkish student told Muslim News that she was standing outside a supermarket in Canterbury, Kent, wearing a hijab when she was verbally abused by a middle-aged white woman. The older woman told her she hated her being in Britain and wanted her to leave.

On the same day in Hackney, east London, a black Muslim woman wearing a veil was getting off a bus when a passenger shouted out: "Why don't you show your, lovely hair?"

The sixth incident involved a Muslim woman wearing a hijab, who reported that when she got on to the London Underground two men standing next to her deliberately started discussing their support for a ban on veils.

Even before Mr Straw's remarks police had been receiving complaints of abuse towards Muslim women wearing veils. Police officers in Gloucestershire have investigated two allegations of verbal abuse against veiled Muslim women by white men. No arrests were made.

The British National Party has also sought to exploit the issue and has sent out anti-Islam leaflets that include a photograph of a veiled Muslim woman.

Azad Ali, the chairman of the Muslim Safety Forum, said: "Since the political party conference started we have noticed a rise in Islamophobic attacks. This time last year we did not have so many incidents.

"The [Muslim] community feels that there is always something negative in the news about Muslims.

"What the Government is doing is pushing away the people they need to engage with. We feel very alienated by comments from people such as John Reid. Similar things have come from the Conservative camp."

The Muslim Safety Forum, the Muslim Council of Britain and the London Muslim Centre, based in Whitechapel, east London, have all reported abusive racial e-mails since the veil issue was raised.

Other pronouncements on ethnicity issues have been followed by instances of racial abuse. Two days after the Home Secretary, John Reid, declared at the Labour Party conference that extremist Muslim "bullies" must be faced down, the Jamia Masjid mosque in Preston came under attack from a gang of white and black youths, who threw bricks at cars while 100 Muslims, attending mosque for Ramadan, worshipped inside. The following day Falkirk's Islamic centre was set on fire, causing 10,000 damage.

Within 24 hours of that incident, a dairy owned by a Muslim family in Windsor also came under siege. Groups of up to 30 people attacked the Medina Dairy, which has also allegedly been fire bombed. Eight people have been arrested

As Windsor's racial unrest subsided last Thursday, the story of the Muslim police officer Alexander Omar Basha being excused from duty outside the Israeli embassy also began precipitating racial unrest, according to some Muslim community leaders.

On Saturday a British Asian, as yet unnamed, was left critically ill in hospital following a suspected racist attack outside a supermarket in the Netherhall area of Leicester. A second Asian man was also seriously injured. Leicestershire police believe an altercation took place between the two Asian men, who are friends, and a group of white youths.

A Teesside family were also targeted at the weekend after vandals daubed graffiti on their home. The Joacph family were forced to cut short a holiday when neighbours alerted them to the attack on their home in Saltersgill, Middlesbrough. Slogans, including the words "kill Muslims" and "terrorists live here" were painted on walls and doors. Police have condemned the attack on the Joacphs, who say they are practising Roman Catholics.

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* Racist incidents that took place following Jack Straw's comments

Friday 6 October: Muslim woman had her hijab, or headscarf, pulled off and thrown on the floor by a white man in east London.

Friday 6 October: Muslim woman had her veil snatched from her face in Liverpool.

Friday 6 October: Muslim girl wearing a veil in Mr Straw's Blackburn constituency was verbally abused by three youths.

Saturday 7 October: Two Asian men were attacked by racists in Leicester, one critically injured.

Sunday 8 October: Racist graffiti was daubed on a house on Teesside.

Monday 9 October: A 21-year-old Turkish woman wearing a hijab was verbally abused by a white woman in Canterbury, Kent.

Monday 9 October. A black Muslim woman wearing a veil was verbally abused in Hackney, east London.

* Racist e-mails to Muslim groups include:

"All Muslim women should be forced to cover their faces - they are the ugliest bastards in the world."

"Whatever you think you are, you are not welcome in our country any more."

"I think ugly Muslims should wear the veil and the good ones should not."

 
That is one way to stop the veil. Dead What amazes me is that the forces that be only just identified this issue as a problem.


Edited by malizai_ - 15-Oct-2006 at 14:04
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 15:15
Aka Britian goes apesh*t.
And to think it wasn't that long ago some Brits were telling me about the inhereant supiority of Britian over the continent in such matters.

By the way, how do we know the listed events were directly related to Strawman's remarks?
This stuff happens all the time, just that its generaly not considered news worthy.
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 15:30
Because Cywr most are women.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 15:32
And?
Muslim women weren't attacked before?
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 15:52
Probably not that frequently in any given week, and probably spitting cases then grabbing by the veil case.
 
Anyhow a watchdog that deals with this issue has the statistics on their website.
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These racists attacks are totally inexcusable, and Jack Straw's comments were highly insensitive.
 
But I have a question to all our friends in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Iran or Saudi-Arabia etc.. What are the official policies on Christian people wearing crucifixes in public or, in the case of them being teachers, in schools?
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 17:28
On a whole, tension between Westerners and everyone else, especially middle-easterners, seems to be a bit on the rise, nothing dramatic but we can't really deny there has been a negative development. This has to do with each side sporting a large number of uneducated ignorants, the sort who hasn't got the wits to see how their simplistic solutions to every problem only makes it worse.
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by Komnenos

These racists attacks are totally inexcusable, and Jack Straw's comments were highly insensitive.
 
But I have a question to all our friends in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Iran or Saudi-Arabia etc.. What are the official policies on Christian people wearing crucifixes in public or, in the case of them being teachers, in schools?
 
No disrespect kommenos but could you open a seperate thread for that question.
 
I personaly dont think that Mr straw is a religious bigot but i do think he is a political opportunist. Politics of religion is a very very daaangerous trend and an increasing one.  I have been watching  this development closely and there is a theme developing in the politics, with the same anti-communist zeal of a past era.
 
 


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Think Cywr is right, just the Independent wanting to sell more papers. These sorts of incidences were occuring before I'm pretty sure, and it's not just Muslims anyway. Eastern Europeans from wherever, doesnt really matter.
 
Originally posted by Komnenos

But I have a question to all our friends in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Iran or Saudi-Arabia etc.. What are the official policies on Christian people wearing crucifixes in public or, in the case of them being teachers, in schools?
 
 
In Pakistan, some Muslim kids are educated by teachers wearing crucifixes and some Christian kids by Muslim teachers. It's really not a big issue what religious denomination people are there.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 23:53
Originally posted by Komnenos

These racists attacks are totally inexcusable, and Jack Straw's comments were highly insensitive.
 
But I have a question to all our friends in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Iran or Saudi-Arabia etc.. What are the official policies on Christian people wearing crucifixes in public or, in the case of them being teachers, in schools?
Don't know about the other two, but in Pakistan its perfectly allright. Our most influential justice was a Christian, and we had a cricket player who used to make a cross everytime he played.
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 08:39
Originally posted by TeldeInduz

Think Cywr is right, just the Independent wanting to sell more papers. These sorts of incidences were occuring before I'm pretty sure, and it's not just Muslims anyway. Eastern Europeans from wherever, doesnt really matter.
  
 
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Firstly the E Europeans dont get the stick because of visibility issues,
 
The IHCR report makes it clear that there is a substantial rise. Is this not how things start, how tolerant societies become irrational.
 
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Don't know about the other two, but in Pakistan its perfectly allright. Our most influential justice was a Christian, and we had a cricket player who used to make a cross everytime he played.

I dont think It is also problem at Turkey, Infact using a cross in Turkey is much easy than headscarf.

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Why make such a big issue out of these small things. These women reported are much safer in britain, than they would be back home. 
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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Why make such a big issue out of these small things. These women reported are much safer in britain, than they would be back home. 
its a big issue for every victim Vivek. Such acts and what they mean should be denounced (in any country) and not followed up by a sweeping generalisation with all its impleyed negativity/chauvinism

BTW Ive heard of such things happening over here aswell, while in countries like indonesia its the christians that need to watch out.


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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 05:14
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Why make such a big issue out of these small things. These women reported are much safer in britain, than they would be back home. 
 
I can appreciate that you have a different set of values where u live. Wacko
BTW, they are NOT being reporrted for being safe.Wacko
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In every society there would be people who would be leftist, centrist, rightist in various degrees. Similarly there would be people with all sorts of beliefs & thought processes. At some particular times, some events might act as a trigger to flare the held up emotions, but in more developed societies, these events are an exception rather than the rule & are an action of some other action / event which had its ramifications for the self styled haters (in this case terrorism by some muslims & support by a greater majority).

The numerosity of these events is directly proportional to time. As time passes & the scars of those afected  by terrorism or their memory fades, such instances will die a slow death. We cannot expect humans to be perfect, they do respond to situations in their own ways, it is their upbringing & culture which decides the severity, which is the west is pretty mild / low toned.




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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

The numerosity of these events is directly proportional to time. As time passes & the scars of those afected  by terrorism or their memory fades, such instances will die a slow death. We cannot expect humans to be perfect, they do respond to situations in their own ways, it is their upbringing & culture which decides the severity, which is the west is pretty mild / low toned.


I agree, in the West the response to cultural affronts is generally more peaceful and less severe than in many other parts of the world. Certainly there is present a legal and political apparatus which seeks to protect the rights of diverse communities (doesn't always, but at least it genuinely tries). That is saying more than in some countries, where abuses are given the tacit sanction of the powers that be (which is another reason for the greater numeracy/severity of the cultural backlashes in those countries which Vivek noted).
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Originally posted by Constantine XI

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

The numerosity of these events is directly proportional to time. As time passes & the scars of those afected  by terrorism or their memory fades, such instances will die a slow death. We cannot expect humans to be perfect, they do respond to situations in their own ways, it is their upbringing & culture which decides the severity, which is the west is pretty mild / low toned.


I agree, in the West the response to cultural affronts is generally more peaceful and less severe than in many other parts of the world. Certainly there is present a legal and political apparatus which seeks to protect the rights of diverse communities (doesn't always, but at least it genuinely tries). That is saying more than in some countries, where abuses are given the tacit sanction of the powers that be (which is another reason for the greater numeracy/severity of the cultural backlashes in those countries which Vivek noted).
Care to illustrate you statement with examples.
 
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Originally posted by Sparten

 
Don't know about the other two, but in Pakistan its perfectly allright. Our most influential justice was a Christian, and we had a cricket player who used to make a cross everytime he played.
 
I believe that there has also been a Christian General in the  Pakistani Airforce which is the Pride of Pakistan.   These are good signs, but the official torlerance of crosses and the  tolerance displayed towards famous atheletes, Justices and Generals might not be mirrored on streets with average Christians.  (Especially in certain areas)
 
Have there been attacks on Christians in Pakistan after people noticed that they were wearing a cross or had Christian symbols in their stores?  Also are people more likely to attack Christians after business disputes because some police will look the other way?   


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Aliens on planet Mars are short of water. Million of miles away aliens on planet Plutonoton are even more short of water. What the hell does the situation on Plutononton have to do with Mars. The Martians are depleting their reserves really fast and the situation may resemble that on Plutononton. But if Plutononton's were to discover news sources the martians would still be short of water.
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