how can we eliminate racism

Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa ...I live in the United States, and there is no "great divide" between whites and blacks. Sure, there are neighborhoods dominated by whites, and some dominated by blacks, but there are many neighborhoods will you will find both living in harmony. Your view of America is a more similar to what America was like during the Age of Segregation.

Originally posted by Sparten Best way to combat racism is prosperity. Properous people don't fight, its kind of hard on the china and silverware. Which is why you have Toronto. However in cases of clear exclusion, like paris, you have the ghettos.

Edited by Hellios - 18-Oct-2006 at 09:29

Originally posted by pinguin   Well, that's not what the world saw after Katrina hit New Orleans. There are lots of studies that show Blacks continue to be segregated in the United States. Also, that country is reluctant to intermarriage which is absurd because the U.S. is one of the countries that has one of the largest percentage of African descendent peoples on the Hemisphere.   Pinguin

If you trust what the world media says about America, you're in sad shape! (True or false: everybody is learning creationism in the schools of Kansas )

The elimination of racism has mainly to do with getting people to live with one another. "Education" doesn't really do it, you kinda have to force them to. Racism in the United States is in prodigious decline. There is virtually no racism between the various 'white' ethnic groups anymore. Racism against blacks was half-crushed in the Civil War, given a century for the effects to simmer, crushed again with the civil rights movement -- now, almost fifty years on, it's almost gone. Racism against Hispanics is stagnant, rising slightly due to economic reasons of "he took my job@#!" Racism against Arabs is fairly high, due to scares of terrorism. However, the levels of racism against Hispanics and Arabs compared with the level fifty years ago is remarkably low. Racism against East Asians is practically non-existent. Native Americans are either completly assimilated or remanded in poverty to the reservations where they can set up casinos and we can forget about them on weekdays. I think a great deal of what has caused this is what the old South was so afraid of: "amalgamation" or intermarriage. In three hundred years or so all Americans will be a light shade of brown, the way things are going. You'll be able to tell the neo-Nazis on the street because they'll be the only ones that look like Europeans. Another major factor, as Sparten pointed out, is prosperity. This is why Asians are not hated any longer -- they're respected because they're generally intelligent and well off. Any 'black' person who is intelligent and well off will generally not receive any racism from any 'white' person who is intelligent and well off. Among lower classes, divisions still fester. I write this as a 'white' person, and do not really know the state of relations between the non-white ethnic groups.


Edited by Timotheus - 15-Oct-2006 at 00:14

Originally posted by Timotheus Originally posted by pinguin   Well, that's not what the world saw after Katrina hit New Orleans. There are lots of studies that show Blacks continue to be segregated in the United States. Also, that country is reluctant to intermarriage which is absurd because the U.S. is one of the countries that has one of the largest percentage of African descendent peoples on the Hemisphere.   Pinguin If you trust what the world media says about America, you're in sad shape! (True or false: everybody is learning creationism in the schools of Kansas ) The elimination of racism has mainly to do with getting people to live with one another. "Education" doesn't really do it, you kinda have to force them to. Racism in the United States is in prodigious decline. There is virtually no racism between the various 'white' ethnic groups anymore. Racism against blacks was half-crushed in the Civil War, given a century for the effects to simmer, crushed again with the civil rights movement -- now, almost fifty years on, it's almost gone. Racism against Hispanics is stagnant, rising slightly due to economic reasons of "he took my job@#!" Racism against Arabs is fairly high, due to scares of terrorism. However, the levels of racism against Hispanics and Arabs compared with the level fifty years ago is remarkably low. Racism against East Asians is practically non-existent. Native Americans are either completly assimilated or remanded in poverty to the reservations where they can set up casinos and we can forget about them on weekdays. I think a great deal of what has caused this is what the old South was so afraid of: "amalgamation" or intermarriage. In three hundred years or so all Americans will be a light shade of brown, the way things are going. You'll be able to tell the neo-Nazis on the street because they'll be the only ones that look like Europeans. Another major factor, as Sparten pointed out, is prosperity. This is why Asians are not hated any longer -- they're respected because they're generally intelligent and well off. Any 'black' person who is intelligent and well off will generally not receive any racism from any 'white' person who is intelligent and well off. Among lower classes, divisions still fester. I write this as a 'white' person, and do not really know the state of relations between the non-white ethnic groups.

Exactly what I was going to say. Though education can play a part, if a person is exposed to a foreign culture, they will become more tolerant. Also, I have noticed many Asian immigrant families in my area, and they all seem to be very well off. Though there is not much racism in the upper and middle classes, there is much in the lower classes. Many of the poor class people can be pretty racist against Arabs and Hispanics. Also, as a 'white' person, I am not knowledgable of the 'race-relations' between blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. I dobut that there is much of a great divide. Maybe a person who is not from America and only goes by what he or she heres from the media, pinquin, can tell us.

Originally posted by red clay Originally posted by pinguin Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa ...I live in the United States, and there is no "great divide" between whites and blacks. Sure, there are neighborhoods dominated by whites, and some dominated by blacks, but there are many neighborhoods will you will find both living in harmony. Your view of America is a more similar to what America was like during the Age of Segregation.   Well, that's not what the world saw after Katrina hit New Orleans. There are lots of studies that show Blacks continue to be segregated in the United States. Also, that country is reluctant to intermarriage which is absurd because the U.S. is one of the countries that has one of the largest percentage of African descendent peoples on the Hemisphere.   Pinguin I have had enough of broad general statements without providing references, or sources.  Pinquin, I believe it is you who is the racist, and when you make a statement like " there are lots of studies" you had better come up with a bunch.  And from credible sources, not Stormfront.

Yeah, I believe it is especially hard for pinquin to argue that American society is segregated when three people who live in that society disagree with him.

Originally posted by pinguin There is only one way to eliminate racism: intermarriage and assimilation. Societies should combat racism through the integration of the outsiders into the local communities. One of the worst mistakes a country can do is that, instead of promoting intermarryage and assimilation promotes "diversity". I mean, that racist and segregationist dogma called Multiculturalism, that put every people in its hole. The so call "celebration" of diversity is precisely what form and mantain isolated groups inside a society. Let's put these in other terms. In the U.S. there is a society for whites and a society for blacks, a culture for whites and a culture for blacks, an heritage for each one, and a history for each one. That way the U.S. will never be ONE country but two or more parallel societies. Brazil, on the other side, is a country where intermarryage is widespread. In there you find Blacks, White, Amerindians, and all theirs combinations in all degrees, living together in the poor and middle classes neighbourhood without big deal. In Brazil there are Whites that pray to Yemanja and practise Candomble, and Blacks who sind Fado and go to the Catholic church. And boths have traditional Indian foods for meals. All people share the same culture, and theirs pride is to be Brazilian. The U.S. is a rich country and Brazil is still poor. But I got the impression people in Brazil accept themselves better, and are even happier. Pinguin

Pinguin,

We this is certainly a way of reducing racism, but it is not a pragmatic one. There is always some people who will be different. And they can be very happy with being different.

Among the good that has come from multiculturalism is the idea that one must respect differences. If we people want to join some othe group, they should be in their right to do so. But if people don't want to join, we must respect that as well.

Originally posted by pinguin [QUOTE=Emperor Barbarossa]   ... Also, that country is reluctant to intermarriage which is absurd because the U.S. is one of the countries that has one of the largest percentage of African descendent peoples on the Hemisphere.   Pinguin

And why should people intermarry?




Edited by Adalwolf - 16-Oct-2006 at 15:59

How?
Of course racism cannot be eliminated.
I think the better way to reach a good level of tolerance is through education.
But education oriented to multi-cultural societies needs political good will.
And here come the problems..

I think that if you want to eliminate racism you should take out an eye for an eye until the whole world goes blind!
    
    

Edited by Ponce de Leon - 17-Oct-2006 at 11:29

Janus, you have it correct. I do not see anything inherently better in intermarriage, not that people should not intermarry.