how can we eliminate racism
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Topic: how can we eliminate racism
Posted By: Siege Tower
Subject: how can we eliminate racism
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 16:24
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in my opinion, racism and nationalism exist as long as the concept of nation and race remains. ------------- |
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 16:28
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This may true, but what we are trying to avoid is for people to hold corrosive ideas about other people that will result in them being harmed or oppressed.
On the legal side, we need laws to protect people against discrimination. The social side is more difficult to work out.One basically needs to persuade racists to see their error and change their mind. ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 18:05
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racism cannot be eliminated but it can be controlled. Racism is based on conceived ideas and it can be reduced through education and empowering people to think rationally. ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 18:09
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Notions or nationalism and race ironically are created and destroyed by history. False histories(movies, news, government properganda, popularist histry books) is the main method of creating them and convincing people of their existence. Learning the truth of history, that they don't exist, is the best way to destroy them. However route 2 is va long way down route 1 and most people are going to drop off along the way.... So better jsut to elimate history altogether......
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 00:43
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Racism can start spontaneously in 6 years old kids, even without the parends encouraging it. All it needed is to put a strange looking boy in a homogenous group, and reactions can happens.
Racism is hardwired into human instincts (and in animals, too). It comes from the ancient times when someone that look different was a risk for your life. Is a primitive tendency of man, like many others we have and that are moderated by education.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 01:18
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Racism is a natural thing, though not a good thing, which occurs in the
human mind as we seek to identify ourselves and also define
"otherness". Pinguin is absolutely right, racism was a survival
instinct by which we humans learnt that any other human who differed
from our own tribal group in appearance may not be one of us, and
therefore may be a threat to us. Racism can be controlled and its effects can be minimised. A few basic approaches are needed. Firstly, education in schools which aims for integration, understanding and tolerance. Education from a young age is critically important. Two, encourage the mixing of ethnicities across neighbourhoods and suburbs. The congregation of a single given race in each suburb massively facilitates racist attitudes and divisions, when ethnicities all live along the same street the barriers get broken down. Legislation to prevent discrimination and encourage equal opportunity must also be put in place and enforced. ------------- |
Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 01:34
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Hi Siege Tower.
Removing the concept of race & nation (like you suggest) is asking a lot from mankind. The chances of everybody dropping the concept of their race & nation are very slim.
Instead, racism can be kept in check, through good government. It doesn't need to be a rich government, just a government with enough determination to do it. It doesn't take a rich government to enact certain laws, and enforce them. Even the poorest governments have their ways of enforcing the laws they want to upon their people.
Look at the ethnic distribution of this relatively small city.
Notice the tens of thousands from each ethnicity:
The above groups have been coexisting peacefully for decades on the same streets (not segregated like some of the barb-wired sections of Paris) because the government has been maintaining a zero tolerance policy against racism for decades. The laws concerning racism are extremely strict, and more importantly, enforced. Complaints of racism at work, by a landlord, etc, are taken very seriously, and dealt with. Does a government have to be rich to enact certain laws and enforce them?
When I see rampant racism in any part of the world, I don't blame the people as much as the governments.
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 08:00
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Yes rot is always from top to bottom. A policeman overlooking a beating, the police service not disciplining and punishing the policeman, the courts not convicting are all such rot, simply empowering the law breakers. Racist or not. Govt dont have to be rich. Look at Cuba, where the Govt follows the policy of preventative action in all spheres of governance. So prevention of crime, decline in health etc.. It works. There will be the Ivan's of this world who are born with a natural disposition towards violence and chaos. Law enforcement is the answer.------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 09:10
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Best way to combat racism is prosperity. Properous people don't fight, its kind of hard on the china and silverware. Which is why you have Toronto. However in cases of clear exclusion, like paris, you have the ghettos. ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 10:00
Racial tolerance and genuine curiosity can start spontaniously in an isolated community encountering foriegners for the first time.
There's nothing hardwired about it, it's purely the local culture that has developed.
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 11:36
Is that why rich countries often went to war with each other in the past? As to the topic question, elimiating chauvinism would go a long way me thinks. Problem is some people are just too addicted to it to let it go. -------------  Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:02
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Rich countries are something different, peoples are something different.
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:10
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you cant rid the world of rascism any more than one wants to elimate the world of d*ckheads, some people are just born/raised that way
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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:19
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I agree with Leonidas.Rascism and corruption cannot be eliminated.They can be de-escalated. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 12:34
This is very, very true. Thanks for pointing it out, Sparten. ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 13:43
Couldn't disagree more, your statement seems to be a generalization. The prosperous well to do white farmers in Africa and America were racist. They burned and hanged Negroes for sport. Sometimes it is the power and influence wielded from money that is responsible for the spread of evil. Any news network would tell us that.
Money and prosperity works both ways. it can be an exclusive or an inclusive prosperity. That exclusivity is generally kept in place by use or threat of violence.
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 13:52
Exactly, ignorance and bigotry cannot be eliminated. However, as aforementioned, with proper education, racism can be de-escalated. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 14:20
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There is only one way to eliminate racism: intermarriage and assimilation.
Societies should combat racism through the integration of the outsiders into the local communities. One of the worst mistakes a country can do is that, instead of promoting intermarryage and assimilation promotes "diversity". I mean, that racist and segregationist dogma called Multiculturalism, that put every people in its hole.
The so call "celebration" of diversity is precisely what form and mantain isolated groups inside a society.
Let's put these in other terms. In the U.S. there is a society for whites and a society for blacks, a culture for whites and a culture for blacks, an heritage for each one, and a history for each one. That way the U.S. will never be ONE country but two or more parallel societies.
Brazil, on the other side, is a country where intermarryage is widespread. In there you find Blacks, White, Amerindians, and all theirs combinations in all degrees, living together in the poor and middle classes neighbourhood without big deal. In Brazil there are Whites that pray to Yemanja and practise Candomble, and Blacks who sind Fado and go to the Catholic church. And boths have traditional Indian foods for meals. All people share the same culture, and theirs pride is to be Brazilian.
The U.S. is a rich country and Brazil is still poor. But I got the impression people in Brazil accept themselves better, and are even happier.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 15:00
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Pinguin's solution sounds the most fun, however, you can't exactly force people to do that, and Brazil isn't exactly a bastion of equality either.
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 21:06
I live in the United States, and there is no "great divide" between whites and blacks. Sure, there are neighborhoods dominated by whites, and some dominated by blacks, but there are many neighborhoods will you will find both living in harmony. Your view of America is a more similar to what America was like during the Age of Segregation. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 22:58
You can force national identity well above interethnic differences. You can enforce "integration" in schools. Finally, in the same way you the movie industry has minority actors quotas, they should be encourage to promote stories that promote mixing.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 23:01
Well, that's not what the world saw after Katrina hit New Orleans. There are lots of studies that show Blacks continue to be segregated in the United States. Also, that country is reluctant to intermarriage which is absurd because the U.S. is one of the countries that has one of the largest percentage of African descendent peoples on the Hemisphere.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 23:06
That's a decent example (Cuba) of how even a poor government has it's ways of enforcing the laws it want to upon it's people.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 23:17
Sparten is right about prosperity being a good way to combat racism, but he went a bit too far in calling it the "best" way. Any way to combat racism should be welcomed & not challenged, only I think the "best" way should be something that can be more easily achieved by all the races of the world. Prosperity is something that many places in the world are having (and will continue to have) a hard time achieving. Prosperous people are just as racist as poor people. Some people even believe that prosperous people are more racist than poor people, but I'm not sure about that.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 00:06
That's why the approach has to be community based. Each country should combat racism by focusing on their individual communities. Some rich governments allow racial 'pockets' or 'bastions' to form within their cities. The governors of the city I posted (above) noticed this starting to happen years ago; the various ethnic groups of the city started forming their own racial pockets/bastions & the city was on it's way to becoming another Paris (in terms of racial segregation). The government started taking physical & legal actions; municipal governments (and their urban planners, law enforcers, demographers, etc.) started concentrating on ethnic integration. Physical barriers between some neighborhoods were destroyed, landlords were prosecuted for turning down people of different race, public schools adopted regulations whereby nobody's religion could be overshadowed by another's (textbooks were replaced & dress codes implemented), etc. The process can be discussed (in detail) in another thread. The result today is not liked by some.
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Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 00:12
If you trust what the world media says about America, you're in sad shape!  (True or false: everybody is learning creationism in the schools of Kansas )The elimination of racism has mainly to do with getting people to live with one another. "Education" doesn't really do it, you kinda have to force them to. Racism in the United States is in prodigious decline. There is virtually no racism between the various 'white' ethnic groups anymore. Racism against blacks was half-crushed in the Civil War, given a century for the effects to simmer, crushed again with the civil rights movement -- now, almost fifty years on, it's almost gone. Racism against Hispanics is stagnant, rising slightly due to economic reasons of "he took my job@#!" Racism against Arabs is fairly high, due to scares of terrorism. However, the levels of racism against Hispanics and Arabs compared with the level fifty years ago is remarkably low. Racism against East Asians is practically non-existent. Native Americans are either completly assimilated or remanded in poverty to the reservations where they can set up casinos and we can forget about them on weekdays. I think a great deal of what has caused this is what the old South was so afraid of: "amalgamation" or intermarriage. In three hundred years or so all Americans will be a light shade of brown, the way things are going. You'll be able to tell the neo-Nazis on the street because they'll be the only ones that look like Europeans. Another major factor, as Sparten pointed out, is prosperity. This is why Asians are not hated any longer -- they're respected because they're generally intelligent and well off. Any 'black' person who is intelligent and well off will generally not receive any racism from any 'white' person who is intelligent and well off. Among lower classes, divisions still fester. I write this as a 'white' person, and do not really know the state of relations between the non-white ethnic groups. |
Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 02:12
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The United States has been making great strides towards the management of racism.
I've started using "management" because (for racism) I don't think the word "eliminate" is realistic (as it's unlikely to happen).
All Canadian students are taught about the American Civil War, when the Union crushed the southern slave states.
 They're also taught about the Underground Railroad, a human network that helped tens of thousands of American black slaves escape & set up lives in Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad
Map of some Underground Railroad routes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Undergroundrailroadsmall2.jpg">
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 10:14
Exactly what I was going to say. Though education can play a part, if a person is exposed to a foreign culture, they will become more tolerant. Also, I have noticed many Asian immigrant families in my area, and they all seem to be very well off. Though there is not much racism in the upper and middle classes, there is much in the lower classes. Many of the poor class people can be pretty racist against Arabs and Hispanics. Also, as a 'white' person, I am not knowledgable of the 'race-relations' between blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. I dobut that there is much of a great divide. Maybe a person who is not from America and only goes by what he or she heres from the media, pinquin, can tell us. -------------
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 11:26
I have had enough of broad general statements without providing references, or sources. Pinquin, I believe it is you who is the racist, and when you make a statement like " there are lots of studies" you had better come up with a bunch. And from credible sources, not Stormfront. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 17:24
Yeah, I believe it is especially hard for pinquin to argue that American society is segregated when three people who live in that society disagree with him. -------------
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 13:56
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Maybe there is a misunderstanding on the term. Most Americans associate the world "segregation" with the concept "legal segregagation." And when Emperor Barbarossa(hi, there!) made his statement, he was talking about how things are today in contrast with the way things were in the past. And EB is right on that money on this statement.
At the same time, there is informal segregation in American society, a little bit more marked in the East Coast than in the West Coast. Part of it is historically black areas, which were formally segregated, are still black. Sometimes it has to do with economic demographic shifts. Or maybe some people just decide to live among other black people. And there is still racism in the U.S., as the Southern Poverty proves on a regular basis. They track all kinds of racial attacks, originating from all kinds of ethinicities towards other groups. http://www.splcenter.org/ - Southern Poverty Law Center I believe that this is what Pinguin was trying to point out--of course, he clearify it himself. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 14:27
Pinguin, We this is certainly a way of reducing racism, but it is not a pragmatic one. There is always some people who will be different. And they can be very happy with being different. Among the good that has come from multiculturalism is the idea that one must respect differences. If we people want to join some othe group, they should be in their right to do so. But if people don't want to join, we must respect that as well. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 15:52
Yes, you are correct, I was talking about legal segregation. I do not what you are saying, hugoestr, but sometimes the divide between poor blacks and middle class whites is a class divide more than a racial divide. For example, there are many poor whites that live in poor neighborhoods(Example: Trailer parks), while there are also middle class families that live in middle class neighborhoods. -------------
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 15:58
And why should people intermarry? |
Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 01:02
| Why shouldn't they? I see nothing toward it one way or the other. |
Posted By: Brainstorm
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 05:09
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How?
Of course racism cannot be eliminated. I think the better way to reach a good level of tolerance is through education. But education oriented to multi-cultural societies needs political good will. And here come the problems.. |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 10:39
I don't see any reason to intermarry. |
Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 11:05
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I think that if you want to eliminate racism you should take out an eye for an eye until the whole world goes blind! ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 12:19
Quotas are an anethema to the creation of tolerance, because they foster the belief that one group of people is different from another.
Yes the nation as a whole is segregated, in my own home city I believe we were once listed as one of the top ten most segregated cities in the country. However segregation is only wrong when it is forced. Studies have also shown that people like to live with people that have shared their experiences, have the same likes and look similar, it is part of the group mentality that is hardwired in our brains. It is unnatural to force people to get along with each other, that should come in time with experience.
Pinguin, intermarriage is reluctant because of segregation true, but it is more of a cultural thing than a racist thing. Look at situations like say Tiger Woods and his wife, they both come from a similar education and economic background therefore they have more in common so they are more likely to form a healthy loving relationship. The reason intermarriage isn't so common, even though studies show it is increasing, is because different ethnicities in america have too many differences.
Except on the west coast where many neo-nazis and other allied groups go out of their way to single out asians. It still stems from the animosity towards the chinese immigrants of the turn of the century.
What I think Adalwolf is saying is 'why is intermarriage between different races seen as advantageous or better than marriage within ones own race.'
Ah! My eye!
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 13:09
| Janus, you have it correct. I do not see anything inherently better in intermarriage, not that people should not intermarry. |
Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 22:02
Well, that's what I was saying too. I will note that when intermarriage is common, racism tends to decrease. However, just like in hiring people, casting for movies, accepting people into schools, etc. etc., you should not marry somebody for the reason that they are not your ethnic group, nor should you not marry them for the same reason. (I hope that was clear, that's a somewhat convoluted sentence.) |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 08:42
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I agree with Timotheus. Think about it, isn't marrying a person because of their race sort of racist(not in a discriminating way, however)? Intermarriage can decrease racism, sure, but marrying someone for their race is like hiring somebody because of their race, it is not something that should be done. However, marrying a person of a different race because you just want to marry them is not a problem. -------------
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 08:50
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hey we can all intermarry and look similar but humans need an "other" as a basic instinct and to belong in a group which means exclusivity. So what was once a hairline becomes a canyon. -------------
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 09:45
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I don't know anybody who married somebody simply because they are of different race.
People shouldn't be criticized for marrying somebody of a different racial or social group.
Efforts to keep a community's bloodline from mixing can lead to health issues due to inbreeding. ------------- |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:06
You make it sound like everyone is brother an sister.. |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:12
Sounds too Stalinesque to me. Hitler: Germans are superior yada yada yada teacher: We are all the same. Theres no differences, Only cultural. Whats the difference? Children should not have their heads filled with sh*t at an early age, let them make their own minds up. |
Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 15:38
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helllo all, in theory, racism can be elimated through religion, for religion have such strong influence(dont call me naive), ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 18:31
Please, religion will not stop racism. If anything, religion can be used in support of racism(interpretation of Bible verses that condoned slavery helped the Southern slaveholders justify their actions). -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 21:43
Because it is a lot of fun. Particularly the process of producing the new generations
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 22:11
One thing that can't be eliminated is the desire of any human being of getting the "most beautiful couple as possible". Now, if the most beautiful happens to belong to "other" group, it should not be an issue.
In Latin America intermarriage is widespread since five centuries ago, although we still aren't a uniform mixture and we have amazing regional differences between peoples. In short, we know a little bit about the topic.
In Latin America, nobody cares about who the neighbour marry. And people is careful to express racist concept simply because you don't know if the "white" boss you have in front has an "indian" mother or a "black" wife.
Intermarriage erase the divisions between people, and put different "races" right inside the group of friends and the family, and even inside a same individual.
The only way to stop racism is by not having a neighbourhood per race, and history per race, and a TV channel per race. And you'll notice racism has stopped because you can't tell the races appart: which is the result of long term intermarriage.
Now, colorism (the light is the better) and class differences can persist even in the most mixed societies, but the things happens one at the time, and erasing the racial barriers between groups is the first step, I guess
Pinguin
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Posted By: think
Date Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 23:46
There is never going to be one uniform race. Theres not enough interracials happening to create a uniform race.. Its like this.. If I Marry a Black women an my Children will come out Black. My Brother marries an Oriental an his children will come out looking Eurasian yet looking more Oriental than White. If My sister Marries an Arab her children will come out looking Arab/Whitish. yet looking more White than my other Brothers children.. So the races are still going to identifiable.. The only thing that will be erased are the European genes, do we need to dissovle ethnic/racial groups to try an end racism, is it even logical. The only way to create one uniform race is through tinkering with DNA...Which they can do!!!! Pingu, I am under the understanding that the ones of European decent in South America are the ones who are the upper echelon... Yet your saying its not like that, so what is it??? |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 00:04
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I'm think actually race (and even more racism) has nothing to do with genetics, or looks. They are often used as carriers but are not the underlying problem and therefore not the solution. Many Arabs from lebanon are indistinguisable from west europeans (--I think this may be due to the high number of left over crusaders) but are considered different 'races'. Similarly with turks and greeks. Its not becuase the are genetically different, its because they are 'others'. The way to prevent racism is to minimise the fear of others, and ensure there is social pressure to conform to a accepting society. Intermarraige is not a way to prevent racism, it's a sign that racism is not common in that society.
The children of mixed African/European parents look arab in my experience
These guys look interesting, I don't really think there is a people who look like these guys. The friends I have with this background have european builds but east asian faces.
Either they look Arab, or they can pass as both. ie, lebanese
Not by appearance though, by looks alone I look like a native for quite a big chunk of the world. People will distinguish by language, history but most importantly the place they live, or who they mix with. ------------- |
Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 00:19
Yet he has a point, somewhat...I know that people used the Bible or other religious books to support racism, but also there are others (myself included) who look to the Bible's teachings that there is no inherent difference between any people of mankind. Which brings me to another point. Technically, there is only one race on earth, the human race. What we all are fussing about is ethnic groups If a person of one ethnic group marries a person of another, you would get another human, Homo Sapiens. Another race would be a humanlike being with a different genetic makeup.There are practically no differences in the color of the palms of your hands, or your blood... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 08:10
The difference is that the teacher is right and Hitler is not. |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 10:15
Sorry. Children are under the influence of their environment. And if they aren't stuffed with sh*t they would just crap themselves anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 11:05
I once met a guy who had asian eyes but an european jawline and chin. He looked like an elf or something.... Dont know what his ancestry was, but it looked good to me...  ------------- 
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Posted By: think
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 12:50
Still brainwashing dude. Even if they did start brainwashing kiddies by the time they reach highschool everything would have been forgotten an they will make up their own opinions.. So all in all its a pointless exercise  |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 14:09
| What would you suggest to teach children then? Nothing? |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 15:25
I have known some Finns to look like that, i am sure there will be others. ------------- |
Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 16:29
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 17:26
Going back to the original question on how to eliminate racism, I would start by bringing it to a personal and interpersonal level.
- Don't brag about yourself. It's rude and irritates others. Brag about someone else for a change. Nah, thats too brown nosey. Just be assertive and tactful. - Interact with people of different backgrounds. When choosing a team for a pick up game of (enter your favorite sport here); be sure to pick a nerd, a stud, a chick and someone that you don't know. - Avoid betting on Horses. A lot of 'racism' goes on around those tracks. - If someone calls you out by making racists slurs at you then challenge him/ with wisdom and sweet debates.  Ah, forget about that part and just kick his/her rear end. Sometimes a good thumping wakes people up.
- Don't be a know it all either. Cause tommorow you will look like a fool when that strange looking kid over there did better than you. Words of wisdom on how to eliminate racism. by Seko the sage. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 18:15
I know what you are saying, but I do not think religion should be used for such a thing. Maybe in a High School history class level they could have add the history of origins to the ciriculum, that may help. How can someone be superior if they originally came from the same place? -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 21:32
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Racism is just another way we can be
proud of ourselves,.... We group people and we go into the best group, so that, we can point and laugh at the less fortunate groups and say "we rule, you don't".... needless to say there will always be racism in one way or another... People subconciously, or, conciously hate being inferior.... thats why religion was created so someone can say "ill go to heaven you'll burn in hellll!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE".... In the end were all proud of ourselves too much we forget to be proud of others... Even if you say you are always thinking or stuff about someone special, instead of yourself, your making yourself special because you associate yourself with people whom you consider unique.... cause theres no true neutral grounds.... Even saying that your not racist is being proud of yourself for being less wrong and stuff...... In the end all sins and misdoings will lead to pride...... And it will rock on forever and no-one can stop it!..... And that sux.....  ------------- |
Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 22:13
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I don't know about you all, but I'd certainly be willing to take one for the team and have a child with an attractive female of all or most ethnic groups to do my part to blur the ethnic lines which divide us.
Too bad polygamy is frowned upon.  ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2006 at 22:21
Its acceptable if you call them girlfriends. ------------- |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 00:37
They should learn what they are supposed to learn in school. Whats the point of teaching kids to accept. You dont "teach" someone to accept they choose whether or not they want too.. What do you suppose we teach kids then ?? School is for learning to get into a profession, not a place to teach children about Religion, Cultures an gays.. |
Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 01:44
Yes, but they like the whole marriage thing before they have kids. I think its just a ploy so that they can get a lot of wedding presents, and throw an outrageously expensive party somebody else will pay for. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 01:47
I wouldn't say that it is only about teaching them job skills. All education systems have at least some focus on making their pupils good citizens in some way.
I do understand the point you are trying to make though. Children these days are force fed too much touchy-feely nonsense that no one cares about and which is useless later in life. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 02:35
I don't agree. As an a South American I know quite a lot of admixture and I tell you the "European genes" are not weak like you believe, and are not easily erased. Races are not clearly defined. They are more "flexible" that people usually thinks.
Now for marrying a Black woman and having kids. Well, the kids will be mulatto and not blacks, which is quite different from the genetic point of view. And mulatto people can have white kids, which is quite easily to see in places like Cuba and Brazil, and also in the Europe from where this picture come from:
 This is Carlos Santana's family. Carlos is Mexican and his wife is "Black" American.
 And here with his wife and children.
 This is a picture of an American friend of mine and his mother,
 You can see that in the Brazilian and Cuban populations, for instance, where African-European intermarriage is widespread. Besides, In there you will notice at once that the color of skin is on average a little bit darker than in Southern Europe, but that facial features are mainly European. What is amazing is people don't usually notice European facial features are dominant in admixture, unlike color of hair, eyes and skin that are recesive. Besides, many mixed people has kids that are indistinguishable from Europeans as well. That's part of daily life.
(There are even cases of dissapearence of the Black populations by admixture, that are quite interesting to study.)
As a result you'll find European looking people wherever you go in Latin America and in all social conditions.
Now, for the myth of a small "European minority" in Latin America, I will say it is not truth. Almost 70% of the genetic makeup of Latin America is Southern European. The small minority you mention is made of Nordic business people that arrived at Latin America since 1850 to 1950 and that ended in the upper classes, mainly.
Pinguin
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Posted By: think
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 07:26
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European genes, especially Northern European wash away really easy.. Also with that top picture, id say thats extremely rare..
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 08:07
Here are the figures from Wikipedia. I would say from these figures(since part-indigenous means indigenous with Spanish/Portuguese or African) that pinquin exagerrates a little bit, and he may be off by 10-15%. Note: I took out Canada and the United States becuase it is unimportant in the discussion of Latin America.
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Posted By: Goban
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 09:15
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Some of those figures are pretty shocking, actually...
...especially now that I followed your resource and found the figures for the U.S. ------------- The sharpest spoon in the drawer. |
Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 11:24
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 12:04
Bollocks. Why would Northern European (or should I say 'Nordic') genes wash away easier than other genes. And what are Northern European genes anyway. And why should we care? |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 14:54
Mmmmm because they are recessive genes...
I think thats pretty obvious..
You dont. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 15:09
All of them?
no it isn't. During history people of all races and subraces intermixed, and Northern Europe was no exception to that.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 23:26
No we retain our genes for stubborness and an inability to reason with "lesser peoples". You know who I mean you damned San Marino-ites. Racism will always exist because the concept of "us" versus "them" mindset has enabled our species to be cunning, deceitful and brutal against the "them" so that we can keep ourselves alive. While it also always us to be altruistic, caring and noble to the "us" which keeps our group alive and our genes propagating. So it is one of our quirks of evolution, not saying we are natural racist, just that we are naturally prejudiced. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 03:53
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Any government that really wants to suppress racism can, but many governments actually prefer for there to be a certain degree of racism in their societies for political reasons. We can give examples, but it might offend people from those places, unless they want to constructively discuss it...
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:01
Nop. It is rare in the U.S. and other British country simply because there was a racial line that divided two groups and stop them from intermarriage. Blacks in the U.S. are 20% European and 80% African on average. In Brazil or Cuba the picture is different. In there Blacks are 50% European and 50% African, so seen dark parents having lighter kids is not strange at all.
I think as of present that figure is false. [/QUOTE] I am talking about GENETICS. With modern tech admixture can be determine with precision. In fact, Genetists know by now how much African Genetics exist in Britain since ancient times, for instance.
If you want the sources I gave it to you. But for now it is very clear the figure of 70% is close to the truth.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:05
Genes don't wash away. That's the first think one learn studying genetics.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:14
Here is the CIA table full, Including U.S. and Canada
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:22
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With respect to the census estimation like the table above one must realize they are done by what people "identifies" rather than what people really "is". Genetical studies in Latin America has confirmed than around 20% of the genetic make up of Latin America is Native. It has shown that Brazilian Native genetics is a lot higher than usually though, and that is around the same as African in there. It has show, also, that Native genetics exist and is important in the Caribbean, in places like Cuba, DR and particularly in Puerto Rico.
It has also show the presence of Native genetics in places like Uruguay, Argentina, Canada and the U.S. is a lot higher than previously though.
It is estimated than 80 million pure Native exist in the Americas and that at least 300 million people has some degree of Native admixture in the Western Hemisphere.
Therefore, the whole idea of the "extinction of Native Americans" is a FRAUD. Not even the Tainos of the Caribbean got extinct. They simple become assimilated.
I have better estimations from census data and genetics. In the case of the U.S. it has been shown White Americans are at least 6% Native American by Shiver.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:27
That would come quite soon, indeed. In the next decades genetical engineering will allow couples to "design" their babes.
When that happens people will realize things like blue eyes or blond hair are nothing magical, but just commodities the parents with buy in the drug store. That is already happening now with the trade of sperm and eggs for the unfertile couples!
Racism will be impossible in a society where the genes are traded in the market like shoes or hamburgers. The old ideas of caste, blood and ancestry will lost all its magical appeal.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 09:34
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In terms of census or "eyeballing" estimations, this is one of the best statistics I have found for the "racial" make up of Latin America. You can notice the distribution of races and admixtures varies quite a lot between countries and regions of Latin America.  |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 11:12
If you ask me, that's the same. And interestingly that was also how most Native American people thought about it. Culture determined whether of not you belonged to their people, not blood or genetics. Nonetheless, the it's interesting to notice that nowadays there are more 'genetical native americans' than ever.
Unfortunately I think that won't happen. Racism is always based on nothing or bogus science. People will always find a way to differentiate between peoples and consider others inferior. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 11:33
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The problem with census figures, particular in the US, is that mixness is often intentionaly ignored. In Mexico, you get it the other way round, people who are mostly black, are classified as mixed if they have a sprinkling of non-black ancestry. So it becomes difficult to make good comparisons. Regarding Belize, the number of Mezticos is interesting there, as usualy its just black/white/native/other (at least from what i've often seen, but then maybe thats just the Anglo-Saxon way of counting diversity, or maybe they changed for the most recent census). However, it says that Argintina has no Blacks or 'Mulatos', which is blatently false, they are a small minoriy sure, but totaly absent they are not, so those figures can't be that good. ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 11:37
Genes don't 'wash away', if they are less dominant, they skip a generation or two or three before they appear again. Really, the number of people who are still in the 1980s when it comes to genetic knowledge. I suppose you think 'junk genes' are still real too. ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 20:07
That's a myth spread by American Afrocentrists. The simple fact is: Argentina has no Black people to speak of. It has perhaps as many Blacks as Japan does, I mean some illegal immigrants that arrive once in a while but that hardly make a couple of thousands.
The Argentinean population is absolutely no-Black. That does not mean Argentineans are blond, because most of them descend of Italians, French and Spaniards, but they do have blonds in there. There is also an important number of mestizo people as well.
The only "Blacks" that exist in Argentina are around two thousand loonies that claim they are African descendents (They have a black ancestor in the past) but that today look average Argentineans.
In Uruguay, the neighbourg country, though you could find quite a lot of Blacks.
The same situation of Argentina you can find it in Chile, where there is no Black population either. In here all you find are Southern European, Indians and its mixtures, plus some minorities of Arabs, Gypsies, Asians and others.
That's why I say those statistics I show are very precise because they show the reality like it is.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 20:13
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[QUOTE=Mixcoatl] ...Nonetheless, the it's interesting to notice that nowadays there are more 'genetical native americans' than ever. [quote]
You bet!
And that is showing somehow historians and many people has been hiding a reality from us. The fact is, many Native cultures dissapeared by assimilation, but a lot of Natives survived.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2006 at 13:32
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There are blacks in Argentina who came from Uraguay and Brazil, most are by now mulattos. Its not propaganda. If those figures can count in the mere handfull of thousands in some countries, why can't they in Argentina? ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 05:06
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Racism will never be able to be eliminated in the society. when something bad happens, poeple always look for someone to blame. And therefore, unfortunately, there will always be scapegoats. Added to that fact is that we people are all biassed to some degree. Members of AE might be least biassed, and hence not racist, but not everyone in the society is like us. Not everyone is enlighted like us. Altough I argue that racism can not be eliminated, I would like to point out that we have the potential to stop it or prevent it from growing like a cancer in the scoeity. If only those enlighted ones become brave men as much as those unenlighted ones.. ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 06:44
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I doubt it. This tolerance that the media loves to preach, ends with the media. Sure you could probably walk around an not recieve racism, but that doesnt mean its not lingering. Many members most likely look an are harmless, so attention wont be directed your way. Just because the KKK an the Nazis arent around anymore doesnt mean that train of thought has gone anywhere. think about it. You could spend your whole life advocating equality an all it could take was one maybe 2 incidents an woosh there it goes. Seriously. The only thing that is holding back the reins is that mainly White people are "individuals" in every aspect, especially in society. The truth is many immigrants have close knit comraderie, meaning you fight one you fight em all. Most Whites, mainly Anglo-Saxons back down when up against all the cousins n bros. But for how long ? I guess many of you on here dont notice it. But gangs based on race an ethnicity are going to become more an more commonplace as time moves on. This goes back directly on how racism is going end. Its not, will it get worse ? Who knows but im not as optimistic as most of you on here. When you hear someone say this country or that country was founded on multiculturalism, makes you think theyre a bit cluey when it fact it was founded on Genocide an oppresion of the natives. The most tolerant people these days are Whites, you cant deny that. I guess thats something to be proud of if your into that kind of thing. Everyone likes different foods, hell i would to travel to Egypt, but that doesnt mean i want Egypt on my doorstep...Get my drift. You dont want racism growing like a cancer. I dont wont sunburn, yet i sit in the sun, if i dont wont something why am doing something to cause it. If you want to compare racism to cancer, you could compare it to hereditiary ones. Some generations will get it, others wont, Some family members wont, some will. I might not, you might not but your son an Daughter might. It can strike at anytime, an it could get ugly. You dont end racism, thats like trying to wipe out discrimination. |
Posted By: think
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 06:54
So where are all these Black Americans with Blue eyes, or White Skin. If these genes reappear, where are they ? I dont know what the hell junk genes are  |
Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 07:00
Very interesting points you made, think. I have to admit that some of them are harsh realities of life. Especially most gangs are based on ethnicity and it was interesting to point out the difference between going to Egypt for holiday and accepting Egyptians at your doorstep ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 07:06
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Umm, if they are black, doesn't that kind of explain it? If you want to see that you need to look at people who are mixed race over several generations, like those kids in that other thread. Having only one great-Great-Grandad won't make you look especialy black, but it would turn up in a genetic test of some sort or another, an ex-Conservative party leader was 1/8 japanese, you'd be hard pressed to see it in him, but if were to look at his genes, you'd presumably find them. Incidently, there is a percentage of White Americans with black ancestry from the 1700s/early 1800s or whatever, so much for their genes being 'washed away'. 'Junk genes' was a generic catch all term a few years back for 'genes we don't understand', on the one hand, humans had fewer genes than many seemingly smaller and simplier species, so people got the idea that these other species had genes that did nothing; and on the other at teh time much of the genetic code appeared to do nothing. So people came up with the 'junk genes' thing to explain it away. Seeing as we now know that most of those genes encode protiens, even ones that we virtualy never use, its kind of outdated. Furthermore, rice needs more of these protiens to regulate its growth and develpment, as being exposed to the elements, has to deal with changes in temperature, lack of water, etc. Humans (and other mammals) initialy develop in the confort of a womb, which is a pretty stable enviroment, and so over millions of years, unneccesary genetic code was left out. Mammals thus have fewer genes than other species because they don't need them. ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 07:17
The men seem to have shared a common ancestor in the 18th Century, but the African DNA lineage they carry may have reached Britain centuries earlier." and Jefferson's father claimed Welsh ancestry. But his Y-haplogroup is vanishingly rare in Europe and has not yet been reported in Britain. In fact, genetic studies show that Thomas Jefferson's K2 haplogroup ultimately came from north-east Africa or the Middle East, the areas where it is most commonly found today"-------------
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 14:36
Which, in a way, is propaganda and brainwashing. As long as people maintain their nature of selfishness and greed, we cannot stop nationalism and racism over the world. It's our nature to hope that we are better than others, and a simple instinct that enemies should be eliminated for their own sake of security. Nothing would ever change. It's great to hope though, since there may be a brilliant scientists, politicans, and/or other people who may find a solution. Some say such man is God, some say they are aliens from advanced civilization, and some say other things. But until that day comes, it is not possible for us to eliminate evil because... we are evil itself.
Are we evil? Some may object, but do we not act according to our selfish desires and wants? Some may object to this by claiming that they help the poors, and give donations to the poors. Wrong, they do it because they need to fulfill their spiritual/psychological need. They feel good about it, telling him/herself that they are good because they put their effort for the sake of others. It sounds odd, but we are driven my selfishness. If you look at it this way, I guess everyone are really sinners.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 14:54
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I believe the solution to racism is quite simple.
In the near future, when people will have the technology to choose or change the genes of their unborn kids at will (babies by design), the VALUE of all "races" will decline to zero. Any couple would be able to buy the genes of any "race" an put it in theirs kids. Thereafter, the frequencies of genes in the population will be dictated by the free market economy, fashion and other factors; not by "peoples identities".
At that point, racism will be pointless. The differences will be just what they are: chemistry.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 15:48
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 16:05
Nice try, but the problem is not racism. It's simply one of the ways for men to convince themselves that they are superior than others. It's the selfishness, and greed that needs to be fixed... not the appearances. For instance, getting plastic surgery is not a likely solution to become popular, right? Personality, ability of sports, intelligence, kindness and other factors still apply. ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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