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    Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 08:00

I wonder to know the origin of pomak people who are they? According to me there are two important data for pomaks. One of is they seem like slavic people(physically) one of is they speak a kind of slavic tongue but they have got turkish traditions and most of all are muslims. Lets discuss  meanwhile im a pomak Smile

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  Quote galvatron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 08:12
i think pomak are bulgaria muslim .
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 09:07
hey do a search, this has been discussed before in this forum
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 09:59
There seem to be two historical definitions of  the word "pomak"
 
Definition 1-  Bulgarian Slavs who converted to Islam under Turkish rule.  Unlike Balkans, there were few converts in Bulgaria (approximently 50,000 today?)
 
Definition 2-  People of uncertain origins living in mountains on Greek  - Bulgarian border.  They are either a Turkish people who adopted some Christian cultural practices or a convert people who retained some Christian cultural practices after their conversion.


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  Quote Desimir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 12:39
Pumaks are bulgarians converted to Islam.Even today most of the pumaks say that they are bulgarians.There is no doubt.
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 12:58
Pomaks are not Bulgarians.
Pomaks were Bulgarians
Pomaks are muslims.
Pomaks are Pomaks!
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  Quote xristar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 14:52
There is this theory, the 'official' greek theory, that they are descedants of ancient Agrianes, because they call themsleves 'Ahran'.
I think their culture is quite unique to fit them into categories as 'bulgarian' or 'turkish'

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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 15:39
 
Wiki says:
 
The Agrianians (Gk. Agrianes) were a Paionian tribe, who chiefly inhabited an area north of the Thracian Maedi.

They were crack javelinmen and the elite unit of Alexander's light infantry, who fought under the command of Attalus. They carried a bundle of javelins into battle and wore no armor, perhaps not even a shield. Alexander made heavy use of them: indeed, every time he dispatched a flying column the Agrianians were always included. They were supplied by the client king Langarus. They were expert fighters in mountainous terrain where the phalanx was obsolete. Being the elite unit of the light infantry they often took their place with the hypaspists battalion and the companion cavalry at the right wing of the army. At the battle of Gaugamela their numerical strength was 1000.

 
Can somebody explain then why they speak clearly slavic languages? Just took a look on it, not that clearly but very close to Bulgarian anyway.


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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 15:41
Originally posted by xristar

I think their culture is quite unique to fit them into categories as 'bulgarian' or 'turkish'
 
Well, it can be explained as sort of mix of Turkish and Bulgarian cultures.
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  Quote Desimir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 18:02
Originally posted by Brainstorm

Pomaks are not Bulgarians.Pomaks were BulgariansPomaks are muslims.Pomaks are Pomaks!



They are bulgarians.Just understand it once and for all.
May be Karakachans dont have bulgarian origin but pumaks are undoubtfully bulgarians who are muslims.But that doesnt mean that they are descendants of some ancient tribe.
    
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  Quote perikles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 06:42
There was a documanter some years ago about pomaks. They visit the pomaks villages and there was interviews of pomaks. They said that they are neither Tuskish, Bulgarians(Both tribes came to the region centuries after pomaks been there) but they are neither Greeks. They are pomaks. Now they onsider themselves Greeks because for many many yeas they live in Greece and have the Greek culture.
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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 06:53
Originally posted by perikles

Now they onsider themselves Greeks because for many many yeas they live in Greece and have the Greek culture.
 
Like that they are muslim for example? Wink
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  Quote perikles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 07:18
They are muslins. It is well known. They are the muslin minority in Thrace.
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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 07:24
So, what makes their culture greek?
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  Quote perikles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 07:50
They go to greek schools. They watch greek tv. They read greek books and greek newspaper. They listen to greek music, they speak, read and write greek. And of course they deal with Greeks all the time, they mary greeks. The only difference s their religion. If you think that is determines the culture then Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, Serbians we would have the same culture. Please think before you write something like that.
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  Quote Desimir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 08:09
It seems that greeks dont know nothing about pumaks.
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  Quote perikles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 08:35
yes. We wait the BUlgarians to teach us. Please be my guest
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 08:52
well they are what they want to be called.

why cant a greek be muslim anton? or is the culture diferent from one side of the aegean to the other?
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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 09:10
Originally posted by perikles

They go to greek schools. They watch greek tv. They read greek books and greek newspaper. They listen to greek music, they speak, read and write greek. And of course they deal with Greeks all the time, they mary greeks. The only difference s their religion. If you think that is determines the culture then Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, Serbians we would have the same culture. Please think before you write something like that.
 
Pericles, usually I tend to think what am I writing. How about you? You said they are greek in culture. So, please show us womething frompomak culture that is common with Greeks, but not Turks and Bulgarians?  
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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 09:14

Originally posted by Leonidas

well they are what they want to be called.

why cant a greek be muslim anton? or is the culture diferent from one side of the aegean to the other?

 
Leonidas, Greek can be muslim. Why not? What I am against is generalization. And what I did, I just pointed things that differs pomak culture from Greek culture -- they are muslims and they speak slavic language (very close to Bulgarian). Many other aspects of Balkan cultures apart from language and religion are very common in balkan nations. See for example music, couisine, celebrations (which depend very much on religion BTW), customs, etc. So, one should be very carefull speaking about cultures.


Edited by Anton - 22-Sep-2006 at 09:18
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